K-J suited

[shinedown.45]

what did I do right or wrong here?I have no reads yet.
Did I raise enough preflop or should have I bet higher?.
Any and all possible advice would be welcome.


pokerstars Game #6913737254: Tournament #35143998, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/11/06 - 02:32:50 (ET)
Table '35143998 80' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Stoli201 (3480 in chips)
Seat 2: ripbrokeith (2370 in chips)
Seat 3: mouse42 (2470 in chips)
Seat 4: OCcrush (1410 in chips)
Seat 5: nuckbuc (1180 in chips)
Seat 6: koomas (1450 in chips)
Seat 7: Orion469 (1440 in chips)
Seat 8: i_roll_hard (2110 in chips)
Seat 9: familyguy420 (3015 in chips)
OCcrush: posts small blind 15
nuckbuc: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Js Ks]
koomas: raises 60 to 90
Orion469: raises 60 to 150
i_roll_hard: folds
familyguy420: calls 150
Stoli201: folds
ripbrokeith: folds
mouse42: folds
OCcrush: folds
nuckbuc: folds
koomas: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2c Qc 9h]
koomas: bets 30
Orion469: calls 30
familyguy420: calls 30
*** TURN *** [2c Qc 9h] [Tc]
koomas: bets 30
Orion469: raises 90 to 120
familyguy420: calls 120
koomas: calls 90
*** RIVER *** [2c Qc 9h Tc] [Ad]
koomas: checks
Orion469: bets 150
familyguy420: calls 150
koomas: calls 150
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [Js Ks] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
familyguy420: mucks hand
koomas: mucks hand
Orion469 collected 1395 from pot

 

[shinedown.45]

what did I do right or wrong here?I have no reads yet.
Did I raise enough preflop or should have I bet higher?.
Any and all possible advice would be welcome.


PokerStars Game #6913737254: Tournament #35143998, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/11/06 - 02:32:50 (ET)
Table '35143998 80' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Stoli201 (3480 in chips)
Seat 2: ripbrokeith (2370 in chips)
Seat 3: mouse42 (2470 in chips)
Seat 4: OCcrush (1410 in chips)
Seat 5: nuckbuc (1180 in chips)
Seat 6: koomas (1450 in chips)
Seat 7: Orion469 (1440 in chips)
Seat 8: i_roll_hard (2110 in chips)
Seat 9: familyguy420 (3015 in chips)
OCcrush: posts small blind 15
nuckbuc: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Js Ks]
koomas: raises 60 to 90
Orion469: raises 60 to 150
i_roll_hard: folds
familyguy420: calls 150
Stoli201: folds
ripbrokeith: folds
mouse42: folds
OCcrush: folds
nuckbuc: folds
koomas: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2c Qc 9h]
koomas: bets 30
Orion469: calls 30
familyguy420: calls 30
*** TURN *** [2c Qc 9h] [Tc]
koomas: bets 30
Orion469: raises 90 to 120
familyguy420: calls 120
koomas: calls 90
*** RIVER *** [2c Qc 9h Tc] A♦
koomas: checks
Orion469: bets 150
familyguy420: calls 150
koomas: calls 150
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [Js Ks] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
familyguy420: mucks hand
koomas: mucks hand
Orion469 collected 1395 from pot

8 views and no replies, and Chuck wonders why no one posts more HHs.

 

[tenbob]

3 of them views are mine, sat down to reply each time and got called away

So here goes.

Preflop, KJs is not strong enough for a re-raise at this stage of a sit and go, but you decided to raise so fair enough. When you raise, you should re-raise properly, your likely behind at this stage so you need to indicate some real strength. Id raise to AT LEAST 200-250 here.

CAlling the small bet on the flop is fine,

The river value bet is also fine.

Just fold PF

 

[Jack Daniels]

Agree with TB that you should usually just fold KJ to PF raise. I don't totally mind the PF call as the raise was only 3x the BB (which are still low compared to stacks) and you'll be in postion on the raiser. Flop call was fine as the odds supported your gutshot. I don't necessarily mind the turn call, but I would more likely consider raising here since there are three clubs on board. You just hit your gutshot and want to be paid off, but you need to protect it from the flush draws (and to see if a flush is out there yet). Value bet on river was fine though could have been a tad higher I think, given the size of the pot.

Oh, and to Shinedown's point, I went back and now it is 17 views and 3 total responses.

 

[shinedown.45]

Thanks guys for your input and advice and now this is 4 replies.....lol

 

[Bombjack]

I agree that your re-raise from an early position pre-flop is (cough...) non-standard.

Bet much bigger on the turn. There's 600 in the pot, so I'd be betting 400-500 here. There's a good chance that at least one of your opponents has a Club, and it's the kind of board where you could be beaten if a King or Jack comes up. But it's mainly for value. I don't think you got full value for your hand here.

 

[Jack Daniels]

LOL...and it just occurred to me that you titled this thread KQ suited. But you didn't have KQ suited, you had KJ suited. LMAO. Maybe that's why there were so few replies.

 

[shinedown.45]

LOL...and it just occurred to me that you titled this thread KQ suited. But you didn't have KQ suited, you had KJ suited. LMAO. Maybe that's why there were so few replies.

sorry 'bout that, I didn't even notice when I brought up the HH

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Fold KJs to a UTG raise preflop. The minreraise is really, really horrid.

Flop is fine, raise more on turn, bet more on river. The board is high and co-ordinated, so your apparently loose-passive donk villains will more than likely have something that they will still happily call with.

 

[tenbob]

Flop is fine, raise more on turn, bet more on river. The board is high and co-ordinated, so your apparently loose-passive donk villains will more than likely have something that they will still happily call with.

Dunno about betting more on the river here. Betting more has the disadvantage of more often than not only getting one caller which negates the "value bet" aspect. Maybe 200 would be ok, but more marginal, there is a case for a big river bet in the hope that Mr Loose Passive might read as a steal.

 

[JimboJim]

Well after the flop I would of represented a strong hand and raised 1/2 the pot. The way you played it I would of put you on either two high cards or a PP. After the turn I would of put you on a Q-10 or something like that. then on the turn I would of still bet big (pot maybe)...and just hoped for somebody to have a smaller straight (which is probably what one of them had).

Since i know the results I think it worked out perfectly (except for maybe a bigger bet after the river). Being out of position you really couldnt get any read on familyguy420 because he was just calling everything. With that I would of either represented big or just called the small bets until the turn.

 

[OneMoreBust]

8 views and no replies, and Chuck wonders why no one posts more HHs.

Patience FTW, this board isnt so hopping that you can get a few well constructed responses any hour of the day within a few hours, but at least you wont get a ton of random, you suck! posts, or, one liners


That being said... either fold that KJ or raise higher preflop.

I don't 100% get the min call on the flop... if you were hoping to pay 30 chips and see the lucky card, why not raise it some and get some fold value out of at least 1 person or setup a steal.

If you have a read on them and think they will call big bets with AQ then I guess calling isnt horrible, but if someone calls a minbet and then re-raises hard when a straight card comes, I fold a fair amount of the time as I put them on a draw.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

PokerStars Game #6913737254: Tournament #35143998, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/11/06 - 02:32:50 (ET)
Table '35143998 80' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Stoli201 (3480 in chips)
Seat 2: ripbrokeith (2370 in chips)
Seat 3: mouse42 (2470 in chips)
Seat 4: OCcrush (1410 in chips)
Seat 5: nuckbuc (1180 in chips)
Seat 6: koomas (1450 in chips)
Seat 7: Orion469 (1440 in chips)
Seat 8: i_roll_hard (2110 in chips)
Seat 9: familyguy420 (3015 in chips)
OCcrush: posts small blind 15
nuckbuc: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Js Ks]
koomas: raises 60 to 90
Orion469: raises 60 to 150 would've just called here
i_roll_hard: folds
familyguy420: calls 150
Stoli201: folds
ripbrokeith: folds
mouse42: folds
OCcrush: folds
nuckbuc: folds
koomas: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2c Qc 9h]
koomas: bets 30
Orion469: calls 30 raise for info
familyguy420: calls 30
*** TURN *** [2c Qc 9h] [Tc]
koomas: bets 30
Orion469: raises 90 to 120
familyguy420: calls 120
koomas: calls 90
*** RIVER *** [2c Qc 9h Tc] A♦
koomas: checks
Orion469: bets 150 higher bet here, about 250 to 300
familyguy420: calls 150
koomas: calls 150
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [Js Ks] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
familyguy420: mucks hand
koomas: mucks hand
Orion469 collected 1395 from pot

 

[Tammy]

LOL...and it just occurred to me that you titled this thread KQ suited. But you didn't have KQ suited, you had KJ suited. LMAO. Maybe that's why there were so few replies.

All
fixed now.

 

[Kenzie 96]

Pre flop fold or just call. I liked your bets after that.

 

[ChuckTs]

3 of them views are mine, sat down to reply each time and got called away

So here goes.

Preflop, KJs is not strong enough for a re-raise at this stage of a sit and go, but you decided to raise so fair enough. When you raise, you should re-raise properly, your likely behind at this stage so you need to indicate some real strength. Id raise to AT LEAST 200-250 here.

CAlling the small bet on the flop is fine,

The river value bet is also fine.

Just fold PF

What he said^^^.

SnG or MTT, this is a fold preflop. You're in bad position with a bad hand - just muck it and wait for a better hand.

As played, postflop is fine I think. His flop bet was really weak and you could've probably taken the pot down there with a 200 reraise, but calling to see a cheap turn is fine too.

 

[ChuckTs]

I don't get what yo uare asking for. You won the hand didn't you? So obviously you didn't do anything wrong. But like stated above, some larger raises may have been good. I wouldnt have raised preflop, cuz I just hate KJ, but I don't think what you did was bad.

Just because you won a hand doesn't mean you did everything right. Calling with 32 and winning with a full house vs AA doesn't mean you made the right play. There's always something to analyze in a hand, and just because you won it doesn't mean that you can assume that you did everything right in the hand. In this example, he (probably) should have folded PF, even though he won the hand.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

2. It doesn't say that he won the hand. He left out the results for a reason, and my guess is that he lost to a flush from mr. calling station.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [Js Ks] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
familyguy420: mucks hand
koomas: mucks hand
Orion469 collected 1395 from pot

 

[ChuckTs]

Oops.

Post edited.

 

[Threesixes]

Id likely call with KJs even in early position in a 3.00 buy in tourney. In a higher buy in tourney it becomes an easy fold. In fact the higher the buy in, the easier the decision to fold becomes. This is simply because the more people are risking to play, the more they tend to play premium starting hands.

That min bet on the flop tells me that the 1st guy more than likely missed. I would raise here and try to take the pot.

I would have bet more on the turn and river when you hit because youre likely to stack many people at that level if they happen to hit tptk.

 

[smitdawg]

i would have definatly folded that preflop that early in the tourny and with the first guy raising under the gun. I know most people say the call on the flop was good and I agree with that since you had more than enough pot odds plus if it hits pay day. I know one person said do raise on the flop, which I don't agree with. His reason was for information, I've found at that level of tourny play hands that will reraise you would be KK, AA, AQ, and rarely KQ (if its some crazy guy first starting out one cards and he is loose, which you could easily wander across). Then if you get reraised there you have to throw your hand away which you are just setting yourself up for that. Other than that I just would have bet more on the river. With that ace hitting someone had to have two pair or maybe even a set and they will pay you off on that. Just my thoughts let me know what you think