JQ - how good is it really?

[arkadiy]

Posting full hand with results.

pokerstars Game #14672268935: Tournament #74377553, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2008/01/19 - 14:24:35 (ET)
Table '74377553 19' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: AverageMatt (9071 in chips)
Seat 3: garsig (62172 in chips)
Seat 5: Roberto_81 (12358 in chips)
Seat 6: Arkadiy (45845 in chips)
Seat 7: andi2812 (35609 in chips)
Seat 8: IrishSupremo (24245 in chips)
Seat 9: HeavensWolf7 (80700 in chips)
AverageMatt: posts the ante 125
garsig: posts the ante 125
Roberto_81: posts the ante 125
Arkadiy: posts the ante 125
andi2812: posts the ante 125
IrishSupremo: posts the ante 125
HeavensWolf7: posts the ante 125
Roberto_81: posts small blind 600
Arkadiy: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Arkadiy [Jc Qs]
andi2812: folds
IrishSupremo: raises 3600 to 4800
HeavensWolf7: folds
AverageMatt: folds
garsig: folds
Roberto_81: folds
Arkadiy: folds
IrishSupremo collected 3875 from pot
IrishSupremo: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3875 | Rake 0
Seat 1: AverageMatt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: garsig (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Roberto_81 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Arkadiy (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: andi2812 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: IrishSupremo collected (3875)
Seat 9: HeavensWolf7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Jack Daniels]

QJ just isnt' that strong a hand. A fold here is perfectly reasonable. Even if he's raising with any A or K, you're still behind and have to catch.

 

[Kenzie 96]

JQ, shes Aces as far as I'm concerned.

 

[scragbag]

check outmy dismay with it. The thread is a fe down called 'FINAL TABLE, DUMB ASS PLAY BY ME'

 

[Egon Towst]

QJ just isnt' that strong a hand. A fold here is perfectly reasonable.

I concur.

 

[arkadiy]

Personally this thread was just so I can have more support into convincing me to fold JQ

 

[vanquish]

its def QJ and not JQ, the bigger card comes first

 

[SeanyJ]

You really shouldn't need any convincing to fold QJ. It is so easily dominated that even if you hit top pair you don't know where you stand in the hand.

 

[Prysm]

I'd rather have AQ, AJ, or KQ. QJ can run into trouble against AK, K10, 109s pretty easily. I recently busted someone who was holding QJ against my KQ. Its not dat goooooooooddddd

 

[Gobbs]

In my book, all of the following hands are better than QJo.

- Any pair higher than 88.
- Any suited Ax where x>=8.
- Any unsuited Ax where x>=T
- Any suited Kx where x>=9
- KQo; KJo
- QJs; QTs
- JTs

That's about 13% of the hands. Do you really think he was raising from early position with something worse than these?

Gobbs