JJ to under flop

zachvac

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Stacks: - zachvac with 3720 - belladonna05 with 2505 - Kenzie96 with 7085 - pokerkatps with 1715 - kooze01 with 3175

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Blinds: 100/200
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Dealt to zachvac:
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* - Sklansky group 1
Preflop: zachvac raises 400 to 600
* - belladonna05 raises 400 to 1000 zachvac calls [400]
* - Folds: 3
* - Potsize: 2200
Flop:
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* - belladonna05 bets [1505] [ all-in ] zachvac ?

Now this is the CCOP ME satellite, top 5-7 get the same prize, and I'm sitting between 3 and 4 with about 15 left at this point. I considered folding to the PF re-raise but with the amount of the bet I was actually getting odds against AA. The problem is this is a tournament and I want to survive. If I was the shorter stack I probably fold there, but I figured that I definitely had odds to call, and hopefully I was up against AK and the flop would come all unders (as happened) and I could get away from it. The shove was more difficult, because of the fact that if I was up against an over pair, I was pretty much finished, but after he money went in on the flop I figured this could easily be 9x, TT, or even the other two jacks. On the other hand, if I'm up against QQ-AA my tournament life is pretty much destroyed, I'm gonna have to double up soon to stay in it. This could also be a semi-bluff with AK, hoping I'll fold but if I don't still having 6 outs. So do you call the shove?
 
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well i sure hope so :)
 
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What was belladonna05 bets like previously?
It will be interesting if both of you answer!
 
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This was the only tournament I've played with this particular person, here are the pt stats:


PFR%=18.84%
VP$IP=26.09%
flop and turn aggression is infinity, total agression is infinity, apparently the river AF is 0/0, I forget the definition of AF.

This is only over 69 hands though.
 
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At this point i'd be considering what hands you've seen him showdown.

What your table image is? Maybe the thought behind the all-in bet is that you will lay down if your 'tournament life' is at risk. (You won't have a lot of chips to fight with, if you lay down or call here)

In my limited experience, without knowing what type of player she is i would have to laydown here. She's shown strength all the way through.
 
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I'm quite certain I snapcall here.
 
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well I did end up making the call, ran into KK. Didn't hit on the turn or river.
 
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Call

i always would have called him because i also would have set him on sth. like AK or AQ, but it remains to be a hard decission to call a preflop reraiser#s all in with your own overpair
 
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Ok enough of that ..I am woman, and I got all the pretty parts...no penis envy here....so don't call me him :D
 
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I was gonna say, just because we have reluctantly accepted the fact that we don't have a genuine porn star in our midst:( , sigh, there is no reason to go overboard & turn her into a guy. ;)
 
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if you're going to fold here you should be folding preflop (it's a call as played though so this is somewhat moot).
 
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if you're going to fold here you should be folding preflop (it's a call as played though so this is somewhat moot).

You mean before the raise? I'm just saying, I had odds to call the preflop min-raise and not the flop shove (this is assuming I could see the opponent's hole cards).

In general, in a cash game I call this and don't fret about it in the future. I can't help but wonder though if I should have just folded, even if I could well be ahead. 1st place didn't get anything extra. I actually considered folding preflop, I could just let the blinds go around and I'd be at the final table probably still with ITM placing. Then I realized how stupid it would be to fold JJ 5-handed when it's folded to me on the button.
 
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call

I would 've called
you'd still have enough chips left if you'd lose..

wish you more luck in the future dough!
 
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You mean before the raise? I'm just saying, I had odds to call the preflop min-raise and not the flop shove (this is assuming I could see the opponent's hole cards).

I wouldn't say you had odds to call the min-raise if you saw the KK. You're only 20% to win over 5 full cards. The rest of the money's going in on the flop, after which you'd fold if you miss and call if you hit, so you need to hit your jack on the flop (around 12%).

Not saying I'd fold it, because there's a chance SHE doesn't have an overpair. After calling flop, you should re-evaluate, but you're still getting better than 2:1. I'd probably play it the same way.
 
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