Get it in or Let it go?

[Boomswitch]

9 Man Sng

Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/04/21 - 10:53:22 (ET)
Table '85567759 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (1485 in chips)
Seat 2: guimat2323 (1465 in chips)
Seat 3: SWESSON008 (1885 in chips)
Seat 4: Lady_Craft (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: maveric67 (1540 in chips)
Seat 7: morwik (1435 in chips)
Seat 8: Ithamore (3455 in chips)
Seat 9: Lancelot210 (815 in chips)
morwik: posts small blind 25
Ithamore: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Kd]
Lancelot210: calls 50
Hero: raises 200 to 250
guimat2323: folds
SWESSON008: folds
Lady_Craft: folds
maveric67: folds
morwik: folds
Ithamore: calls 200
Lancelot210: raises 565 to 815 and is all-in
Hero: ???

Lancelot210 is 52/21/3.5
Ithamore is 17/11/1.8

Your thoughts?

 

[dj11]

Lancelot, at 52/21/3.5 would see any flop, and raise with xmas cards. Ithamore at 17/11/1.8, and the big stack looks like a decent player.

Level 3 at a sng and only 1 out, suggests the game is being played fairly conservatively with the exception of Lancelot. And in this case I would think his frustration is getting him tilted. Ithamore is another case. He called your raise. Looks like you'll be getting about 2.5-1 to call here and then giving approx 3-1 to Ithamore.

If you raise all-in here to isolate, you will knock down Ithamores odds to about
2-1 . He's gonna want a good hand here to call.

Shove here. A simple call is the wrong move.

The alternative is to fold, giving the decision to Ithamore and those 2-1 odds.

I think I prefer the shove here.

 

[Jillychemung]

Agree on the shove. You lose, start up another SNG.

 

[soonerdel]

i shove all day long

 

[soccerfreakjj10]

shove your chips in, shove your computer when you lose, and shove your mom/girlfriend when you get pissed off.

kidding tho feminism ftw!

 

[ChuckTs]

ship em in, this is a standard shove to isolate against the fish.

 

[Tygran]

^^ agreed with above. shove away!

 

[altruist]

Shove, you already invested 250 chips into the pot, and even against KK you have 30% equity. Should he have AA, you're not entirely crippled.

 

[p0K35]

my thoughts?

oh my, that sucks...

lol, you in 'squeeze' spot now...

Ok, real thoughts:

UTG making standard raise(or 4xBB raise), you need to realize the BB can go allin here, so before you make the raise, understand, will, you call the BB allin? UTG raises can be a 'bartch'.

If not, don't make the raise.

Personally, I like the raise, and I will call that allin, but that is me. I want to represent big hole cards and induce the BB shorty to go allin, which I insta call...

But, that doesn't happen, rarely does, but fun to dream... Chip leader flat calls you, and then BB goes allin, now you 'sqeezed', oop(outta pozition)...

Personally, I'm not worried or concerned about BB, they did what I wanted. Am worried about the flat call from big stack...

So, fold is option, NOT(reread, don't make the UTG raise, if this is an option).

Call, is an option, with what 700 behind? And Bigstack can 'sqeeze' you here??? Pretty sure Bigstack has little concern for BB, but they flat called preflop raise. Shouldn't they know the BB allin situation??

A bit of a pickle, but at level 3, you should have a read on Bigstack, if you call, will they just call, or 'squeeze' you allin? Will they lay down your strong UTG raise, to BB allin, or even yours?

Personally, allin, when Bigstack , folds, you racing when BB shows pp8...

 

[BelgoSuisse]

From a good player, limp UTG and reraise all in looks a lot like KK+ and I'd be inclined to fold here.

Against this fish (ROI at -37% according to sharkscope), it could be any pocket pair and then there's enough dead money in the pot to justify a shove here, but most likely you will be racing.

Don't worry about Ithamore. With KK+, he probably would have reraised already, and you don't really mind if he calls with less.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

By the way, good table selection. This is a nice fish tank...

 

[Boomswitch]

Yeah I was guessing it was the right move but wasn't a 100% sure. To be honest the limp push scared me, but with his stats being so high I really figured I had to get it in.

On a side note this being my second post I guess an intro is in order... I have been playing Sng's for a little while now, but have only started taking it seriously a few weeks ago when I realized that triple draw is not a game to be playing long term (not enough people at the tables). Still have lots to learn especially in the later rounds when its push or fold, but hopefully you people can help me out in that department.

Here is how the hand played out.
pokerstars Game #16888713815: Tournament #85567759, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/04/21 - 10:53:22 (ET)
Table '85567759 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (1485 in chips)
Seat 2: guimat2323 (1465 in chips)
Seat 3: SWESSON008 (1885 in chips)
Seat 4: Lady_Craft (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: maveric67 (1540 in chips)
Seat 7: morwik (1435 in chips)
Seat 8: Ithamore (3455 in chips)
Seat 9: Lancelot210 (815 in chips)
morwik: posts small blind 25
Ithamore: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Kd]
Lancelot210: calls 50
Hero: raises 200 to 250
guimat2323: folds
SWESSON008: folds
Lady_Craft: folds
maveric67: folds
morwik: folds
Ithamore: calls 200
Lancelot210: raises 565 to 815 and is all-in
Hero: raises 670 to 1485 and is all-in
Ithamore: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 9d 6c]
*** TURN *** [Jd 9d 6c] 4♥
*** RIVER *** [Jd 9d 6c 4h] 5♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lancelot210: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Hero: shows [Ac Kd] (high card Ace)
Lancelot210 collected 1905 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1905 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 9d 6c 4h 5d]
Seat 1: Hero showed [Ac Kd] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: guimat2323 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: SWESSON008 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Lady_Craft folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: maveric67 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: morwik (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Ithamore (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Lancelot210 showed [Kc Ks] and won (1905) with a pair of Kings

 

[BelgoSuisse]

So he had KK. Not entirely unexpected with a limp-reraise I guess.

BTW, against KK your AK was 30% to win and (if you don't take Ithamore into account), you were getting exactly the right pot odds to call as you needed to put 565 chips for a 1905 pot. The only hand you were really afraid of was AA.

If you use pokerstove to look at your equity against ranges, with 565/1905 pot odds, you should only fold if villain's range is KK+. Against QQ+ it's a marginal call, and against any wider range it's a clear call. For instance if villain's range is JJ+ and AK, then you are 39.8% favorite to win the hand and calling is +193 cEV.

 

[Boomswitch]

Here is another situation that confuses me in SNG's

Villain is 46.3/25/2.8 and from read can be pushing J10+ or 22+

Do I get it in or let it go?

PokerStars Game #16912862153: Tournament #85691472, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/04/22 - 11:05:55 (ET)
Table '85691472 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (910 in chips)
Seat 2: DebPort (2195 in chips)
Seat 3: riggscap2004 (1245 in chips)
Seat 4: PSOrcus (965 in chips)
Seat 6: Pertuzki (4157 in chips)
Seat 8: hoghead9 (1620 in chips)
Seat 9: nj2000 (2408 in chips)
PSOrcus: posts small blind 25
Pertuzki: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [4c 4s]
hoghead9: folds
nj2000: folds
Hero: raises 100 to 150
DebPort: folds
riggscap2004: folds
PSOrcus: raises 815 to 965 and is all-in
Pertuzki: folds
Hero: ???

 

[mickmate]

i dont think i would call, a pair of 4's to risky in that situation, PSOrcus would of gone all in with a half decent hand, maybe if your pair was a little higher then i would of called.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

44 is a fold preflop. With an M between 10 and 20, small pocket pairs should not be part of your starting hands, unless you are purely raising to steal the blinds from late position. Otherwise, not enough implied odds for set mining and not enough strength otherwise.

 

[widowmaker89]

certainly fold 44, as Belgo mentioned you shouldnt be playing this to begin with unless its an extremely tight table, which from experience I doubt.

You are at best a coin flip with a very good chance you are facing an overpair. It really doesnt matter what his stats are here except for you should have looked at them before deciding to raise.

 

[ItsMe]

Fold now. It's too late. Early position, unless you have a very tight image and the big stacks are going to fold (who am i kidding!) it's a 100% fold.