Did I play this wrong???

Sammyv1

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I'd like some input on if I played this wrong or not. I think the flop was perfect for me. Maybe I should of went all in after the flop? This was our freeroll from today.

Game #904024064 - Tournament Cardschat.com - 10/20 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/07/21-17:03:38.5 (CST)
Table "Cardschat.com 7" (MTT) -- Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: joshyb20 (1,150 in chips)
Seat 2: patriotsrock (1,500 in chips)
Seat 3: cardealer (1,560 in chips)
Seat 4: handycap (1,470 in chips)
Seat 5: officerhoyt (1,590 in chips)
Seat 6: irongirl01 (1,470 in chips)
Seat 7: njkid99 (1,500 in chips)
Seat 8: Sammyv1 (1,410 in chips)
Seat 9: W13rd0W (1,500 in chips)
Sammyv1 : Post Small Blind (10)
W13rd0W : Post Big Blind (20)
Dealt to Sammyv1 [ Kd ]
Dealt to Sammyv1 [ Kc ]
joshyb20: Fold
patriotsrock: Fold
cardealer: Raise (40)
handycap: Fold
officerhoyt: Call (40)
irongirl01: Fold
njkid99 : Fold
Sammyv1 : Raise (120)
W13rd0W : Fold
cardealer: Raise (180)
officerhoyt: Fold
Sammyv1 : Call (90)
*** FLOP *** : [ 7c 8h 3s ]
Sammyv1 : Bet (260)
cardealer: Call (260)
*** TURN *** : [ 7c 8h 3s ] [ Qc ]
Sammyv1 : Bet (300)
cardealer: Raise (600)
Sammyv1 : Call (300)
*** RIVER *** : [ 7c 8h 3s Qc ] [ Qh ]
Sammyv1 : Bet (330)
cardealer: Call (330)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 2,880 | Board: [ 7c 8h 3s Qc Qh ]
joshyb20 didn't bet (folded)
patriotsrock didn't bet (folded)
cardealer bet 1,410, collected 2,880, net +1,470 (showed hand) [ Ad Qs ] (three of a kind, queens)
handycap didn't bet (folded)
officerhoyt lost 40 (folded)
irongirl01 didn't bet (folded)
njkid99 didn't bet (folded)
Sammyv1 lost 1,410 (showed hand) [ Kd Kc ] (two pair, kings and queens)
W13rd0W lost 20 (folded)
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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Push the flop, or push preflop given the betting that occurred - waiting until later to get all your chips in with a monster like KK just gives opponents a chance to catch cards, as he (albeit very luckily) did - what would you have done if an A had come on the turn, for example? If your opponent is a bad player he's probably calling anyway, as bad players find it impossible to get away from good hands, but at least you get your chips in when your hand is at its best.
 
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I don't push on the flop here, your bet was a good one...(pot-sized).

When he raises on the turn...THEN I PUSH, he still is probably going to call (it is a freeroll) but he has 5 cards to beat you, which make you an 89% favorite to win the hand.

If you push on the flop here:

In a freeroll he still calls...you win large majority of the time

For real money he folds, you pick up a smaller pot that you could have won by trapping him on the turn...

You took a bad beat...get over it.
 
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ok your flop bet was fine. The error occured when your opponent reraised you preflop and you smooth called. You should have fired back at him hard! Reason being at that point there were enough chips in the pot that if you got a fold it was worth the bet second reason you would be getting alot more chips in there with the "best of it", which is all you can do in poker! In short you played your cowboys too passively after the reraise. Your flop play actually wasn't the problem.
 
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Ok, The pot was $410 when he reraised me. So when you say fire back hard do i just go with a pot size bet or with double or my whole stack of lets see around $1150 at the time.
 
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triple his reraise or go allin! You have cowboys the 2nd best possible starting hand in hold'em. PLAY IT STRONG!
 
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Interesting, I would like to see a larger bet on the flop. The really tough part about this is the fact that you are out of position. If you were in position, I would like your play a bit better. All in all not bad, pushing on the flop or turn eliminates the out of postion problem. Nothing against your play though.
I like to try to play them a bit faster, when out of position.

Bill
 
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If you'd gone all in rather than call outcome would have been the same - he would have called as he would have been confident he had best hand, and would have hit his get out card. You did right in building pot up to nice size with best hand - he just got lucky, which happens.
 
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All I will say is that in a freeroll he would have stayed in this hand no matter what. Even if you had gone all-in preflop, his betting pattern shows he probably would have called anyway.

Its easy to say you should have done this and done that now cos we know his hold cards but I would have re-raised his raise preflop (this shows you have a hand) and then all-in pre-turn (this should tell him you have a high pocket) and he has 3 outs, any decent player in a buy-in would fold.

You wasnt aggresive enough post flop as A) KK is only beaten by AA and an A didnt come down and B) if he had AA he most probably would have gone all-in (remember its a freeroll!)

I think you was a bit unlucky but definitely not aggressive enough, especially after a rag flop like that
 
Sammyv1

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These are some very good Ideas. With all the analogy that I am getting I should of just pushed all in on the re-raise pre flop. Like Colin said If he had AA he would of probably went All-in. But with this being a free roll I probably would have lost anyway. Thats O.K. though cause I'd rather play the free rolls like my real money tournaments anyway.
 
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colin_147 said:
You wasnt aggresive enough post flop as A) KK is only beaten by AA and an A didnt come down and B) if he had AA he most probably would have gone all-in (remember its a freeroll!)

Not true - could have 2 pair, 3 of a kind.
 
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robwhufc said:
colin_147 said:
You wasnt aggresive enough post flop as A) KK is only beaten by AA and an A didnt come down and B) if he had AA he most probably would have gone all-in (remember its a freeroll!)

Not true - could have 2 pair, 3 of a kind.
So your saying he should have called the guys raise holding KK with a rag flop? He may also have been holding nothing pre-flop and then chasing a straight.

There are many possibilities, I am not dismissing them, but to lose to trip 8's holding KK is just unlucky, to call to the river in the hope he isnt holding trips when you have KK is just stupid
 
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It was just a bad beat. Nothing you could have done would of changed anything. He was more than likely going to call any bet you made preflop or after flop. It was a freeroll and he had AQ. There was no way he was going to fold. And two Qs came out. The only way he would of folded was if you could show him your cards before the river came!!!!!!
 
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I agree with xdman! Hit him while it hurts, and do a massive raise on his reraise. His reraise shows no confidence in you hand (or raise) which you can take advantage of.

/dydig
 
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Hi All,
My own personal opinion is that as a few people have said,he would of called preflop had he pushed all in anyway. I find quite a few people even in big money games count A Q as monster starting hand..don't get me wrong,i love it and play it hard frequently but if faced with an all call i muck it. I think you played the hand well...i'd of maybe reraised preflop and not smooth called however..what was his style? If it was loose then i would of got all the chips in..put him to a decision..if tight then i would of smooth called as you did...draw the exact $ out of him..overall i think you did a good job..just one of those hands that happens.
John
 
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xdmanx007 said:
triple his reraise or go allin! You have cowboys the 2nd best possible starting hand in hold'em. PLAY IT STRONG!
X has it right here. You let him in the game by not being aggressive enough. The chip amounts make it look like its at the beginning of tourney. If you had a player of any caliber then they most likely would have folded. Instead you gave him the opportunity to catch something.
 
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All the betting stategy aside. Why did you show your cards at the end? I never understand why people do that.
 
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I just think you hit a "calling station" and there is nothing you could have done to shake the dog off his cards. He had his teeth on them and would not let go.

If he was smart enough to understand the power of the raise or reraise you should have fired back at him hard preflop. If he called, push at least pot size bet post flop. He had nothing and even stupid players would have to think twice about pushing all in post flop with crap.
 
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make your decision earlier in the hand.

While the other guys calls were very loose, I think you decided that you were going to play for all your chips early in the hand but waited until you were beat to put them all-in... You played this hand a little scared next time when the pot becomes big enough to push just push and make him make a bad call for all his chips( if he calls and sucks out so be it)... then you wont wonder whether you played it wrong you will just know that you were unlucky.
 
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I would have went all in on the flop theres no way he would call there (depending on how big the game is) but he might call preflop and still beat you, but i think when the flop came all blanks an all in was the correct play.
 
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Wow, this is almost a year old!! Blast from the past. I know most of these problems now.:D
 
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