How do I get him off the draw???

kingme620

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Do I need to slow down? Or do I need to bet more?

Stage #1138710602 Tourney ID 1987667 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $120 - 2008-04-01 00:25:16 (ET)
Table: 32 (real money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 2 - BADDAWGRISIN ($6190 in chips)
Seat 3 - MAGOO22 ($8180 in chips)
Seat 4 - KINGME620 ($16105 in chips)
Seat 5 - DELCOM2 ($15635 in chips)
Seat 6 - GREATLJ ($6405 in chips)
Seat 7 - BRADSHOUSE ($2165 in chips)
Seat 8 - HAITIKID1976 ($14955 in chips)
Seat 9 - FISHKILER ($4870 in chips)
BADDAWGRISIN - Posts small blind $60
MAGOO22 - Posts big blind $120
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to KINGME620 [Js Ad]
KINGME620 - Raises $360 to $360
DELCOM2 - Calls $360
GREATLJ - Folds
BRADSHOUSE - Folds
HAITIKID1976 - Folds
FISHKILER - Folds
BADDAWGRISIN - Folds
MAGOO22 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [3c Jc 7s]
KINGME620 - Bets $400
DELCOM2 - Calls $400
*** TURN *** [3c Jc 7s] [6s]
KINGME620 - Bets $1200
DELCOM2 - Calls $1200
*** RIVER *** [3c Jc 7s 6s] [6h]
KINGME620 - Bets $3500
DELCOM2 - Calls $3500
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KINGME620 - Shows [Js Ad] (Two Pair, jacks and sixes)
DELCOM2 - Shows [Kc 6c] (Three of a kind, sixes)
DELCOM2 Collects $11100 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($11100)
Board [3c Jc 7s 6s 6h]
Seat 2: BADDAWGRISIN (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: MAGOO22 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: KINGME620 HI:lost with Two Pair, jacks and sixes [Js Ad - P:Js,B:Jc,B:6s,B:6h,P:Ad]
Seat 5: DELCOM2 won Total ($11100) HI:($11100) with Three of a kind, sixes [Kc 6c - B:6s,B:6h,P:6c,P:Kc,B:Jc]
Seat 6: GREATLJ Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: BRADSHOUSE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: HAITIKID1976 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: FISHKILER (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
 
OzExorcist

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Bet more on the flop - if my quick calculations are right, the pot after the pre-flop action is around $900. $400 is less than half of that, and you're only asking the villain to risk $400 to win a potential $1300.

$400 is about 30% of the pot, and assuming they get to see the river, they've got about a 35% chance of hitting their flush. So the villain actually made the correct call and in the long run, you'll be losing money making this bet.

If you bet around two-thirds of the pot ($600 in this example) then they have to risk $600 to win a potential $1500. $600 is 40% of the pot, but they've still only got a 35% chance of hitting their flush, so suddenly its not such an attractive proposition for them to call and you start making money in the long run.

Your bet on the turn was a better size.
 
NineLions

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Oz is right about the flop bet.

After that, unfortunately, he's paired his 6 meaning another 6 or a K probably gives him the win so he's gained outs, so by the time your bet size gets better, he's got a better hand.
 
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I usually check river to induce a bluff out of a draw. Doubtful he'll call you 3 streets with a weaker jack anyway. what is the buyin on this tourney? also, best to hide results to not bias your posts.
 
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luckily he didn raise u after river... next time check call.. do u really think ur ahead with one pair ?
 
tenbob

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Look, just realise that sometimes, no mater how you play you hand, or how much you bet, some people will never fold a draw, its part of the game. The clever part is making drawing against your hand unprofitable in the long run.

So, bet more on that flop.

Your turn bet is fine.

Check call or check fold the river though unless you have some substanital read.
 
bob_tiger

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Ok first of all i agree a lot with tenbobs post, he is right some people just dont know how to let of the flush draw but if you think about it they are only 20% to win the hand so in the long run you will win more than you lose if you give these people bad odds to call on their draw, therefore you need to bet more on the flop, this will help you pick up an easy read, lets say he smooth calls you can put him on a range of hands like flush draw or possibly weaker J and also you can figure him out from the betting patterns from earlier hands. Then on turn bet again make him pay to see that draw, in some cases some people will re raise u all in, but dont let them see a free river.
 
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