Hold'e. or Fold'em?

t1tpfdc

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[FONT=geneva,arial]PokerStars Game #16964586098: Tournament #85186714, $1.85+$0.15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/04/24 - 16:00:01 (ET)
Table '85186714 23' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: t1tpfdc (1960 in chips)
Seat 2: Mosen29 (2040 in chips)
Seat 3: Nivunen (3780 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Elvissly (1385 in chips)
Seat 5: sköge (965 in chips)
Seat 6: champ.a.no.1 (2195 in chips)
Seat 7: Sidsel3512 (1410 in chips)
Seat 8: lhbn (1375 in chips)
Seat 9: Bliesmann (1725 in chips)
Mosen29: posts small blind 15
Nivunen: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to t1tpfdc [Th Td]
Elvissly has timed out
Elvissly: folds
Elvissly is sitting out
Nivunen has returned
sköge: folds
champ.a.no.1: calls 30
Sidsel3512: folds
lhbn: folds
Bliesmann: folds
Elvissly has returned
t1tpfdc: raises 90 to 120
Mosen29: calls 105
Nivunen: folds
champ.a.no.1: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [Ts 8s 9c]
Mosen29: bets 180
champ.a.no.1: raises 1895 to 2075 and is all-in
t1tpfdc: ????????

What to do?
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S93

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All-in,u have top set with a ok board sure champ could have JQ or 76 but then u still have outs for full-house, and more likly he haves a smallar set/2pars or a semi-bluff flush draw and since its a micro tourney A10/A9 is even in his range

Easy push,my guess is your posting cause he had a straight and your feeling bad about your call
 
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sure, agree.

why ask? did you raise preflop to fold top set, if a 'scary' board happened? A fold is much worse than the call.
 
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If he has the straight does he really shove here? You call and he shows Ax spades or J9 way too often to fold top set. If he has a biggest combo type draw with J9 spades you're still a favorite and against the made straight you'll win about 35% of the time. I call.
 
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you fold this hand because i have a feeling that you're going to lose
 
odinscott

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Allin, why fold to (at worst) a flush draw or possible straight?
 
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they say to listen to your gut, and my gut is telling me to fold.
 
Richard7787

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No you are listening to "they" :p Definate call
 
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CALL,.... or.....
Never seen a $1.85+.15 tourney before on Stars???
 
t1tpfdc

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I thought that too. A SAG maybe? (one of the double super duper turbo deluxe ones perhaps?)

The comments/advice are as expected, I guess. Could have given a little more info about the event.
Daily $1.85 + 0.15 buy-in for Nordic players, $3000 guaranteed
846 players
91st-117th pays $6.60
$555 to the winner


And I was torn between dead certainty that it was a (fairly) easy call,
and that gut feeling that told me to fold.
And the opening better still behind me yet to speak
Very early, only level 2, could fold with a fair stack left ...
$555 to the winner!

anyway ...

[FONT=geneva,arial]*** FLOP *** [Ts 8s 9c]
Mosen29: bets 180
champ.a.no.1: raises 1895 to 2075 and is all-in
t1tpfdc: calls 1840 and is all-in
Mosen29: calls 1740 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ts 8s 9c] J♠
*** RIVER *** [Ts 8s 9c Js] K♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mosen29: shows [Tc Ad] (a pair of Tens)
champ.a.no.1: shows [Qh Jc] (a straight, Nine to King)
champ.a.no.1 collected 160 from side pot
t1tpfdc: shows [Th Td] (three of a kind, Tens)
champ.a.no.1 collected 5910 from main pot
ApelliPKR is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6070 Main pot 5910. Side pot 160. | Rake 0
Board [Ts 8s 9c Js Kc]
Seat 1: t1tpfdc (button) showed [Th Td] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 2: Mosen29 (small blind) showed [Tc Ad] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 3: Nivunen (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Elvissly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sköge folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: champ.a.no.1 showed [Qh Jc] and won (6070) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 7: Sidsel3512 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: lhbn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Bliesmann folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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just as the others said... most likely u call the all in an flip ur cards an see uyr ahead. hes a DUMMMMBBBBB moron if any of them have 76 and even qj , but then again as previously stated you would have a lot of outs for a boat, an mayb even quads.. stupid donks ... lol . gl. hope i was helpful
 
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And I was torn between dead certainty that it was a (fairly) easy call,
and that gut feeling that told me to fold.
And the opening better still behind me yet to speak
Very early, only level 2, could fold with a fair stack left ...

I would have folded, but I'm usually one of the few who might/would.

'Scared' money player? Not at all (imo), just one who makes a decision NOT to go all-in on nothing more than a couple of "percentage points" slightly in my favor against a scarey board. Especially with players behind me still to call/bet and still 2 cards to see.

To me, it's a matter of making a decision just how valuable your tourney life is based on the outcome of one hand, not a 'poker' decision.

This is, however, an insta-call in a cash game.
 
nevadanick

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thats rough... QJ .. he a lucky donk

What is 'donkey' about seeing a relatively cheap flop with connectors? Villain tried to stay in the pot for the cost of the BB and only called the raise.

Position makes all the difference. Villain was already in the pot. Early hands, hard to tell if he would have called the 120 if he had later position in a different hand and had to call the full 120 to see the flop.

What's the purpose in seeing flops with connectors? Sometimes they hit, sometimes they don't.

Have no idea what Mosen29 was doing in the hand ... :confused: ... but this wasn't about him/her, even tho they had the 4th 10. See the flop with A-rag, marginal, but after that - THERE is the 'donk'.
 
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This is NEVER a fold situation. I don't care if he did flip over J,Q. I don't care if he would have had 6,7. When you start folding top set you are making -EV moves and in the long run pay for it. 9 out of 10 when he shoves like that he's holding either the FD or something like J,9 or A10, which you're more than happy to go against as you will win most of the time.

This hand is just a case of bad luck, sucks, move on to the next hand and try again later.
 
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