hand from a tourney I was watching

[stormswa]

today I railed a friend of mine and kinda talked to him on IM and told him what I would do with his hands if it were me playing. Yes Yes I know one player per hand but it was a learning experience for him. We had been card dead and he was acting before I could type a lot of the times so I really didnt help him one bit to be honest. Once he checked his AT before I could tell him to c-bet the Q high flop. I ran downstairs because my wife had just gotten home and when I came back up he was out, this hand busted him out. I dont have a hand history but I will do my best to expain the hand how he told me.


so our hero is in the blinds, not sure which one think SB with TT. There is a 3bet raise from someone in EP and a call between us and our hero decides just to call and so does the BB. I think this is a huge mistake on his part. My reason for this is we need to define our hand being that we will have to play the hand OOP and also we need to see how strong the EP raisers is. By raising we eliminate the stragglers and depending on what EP raiser does we can act accordingly with our hand. For example if he raises here we can pretty much put him on a overpair. Not many people will 3 bet us here with something like AK this early in the tourney.

ok so flop is all babies and again we check and again I think this is a bad play. Again we need to see how strong our hand is, if we lead out and get re-raised anywhere we can muck out hand. as played out we check and the Origional Raiser bets and we shove. I think this hand was really outpayed, anyone disagree with anything I said?

 

[Effexor]

Let me clarify something, by 3bet, do you mean a raise of 3x BB or was there something like UTG raises, and EP reraises (3 bets)?

 

[stormswa]

Let me clarify something, by 3bet, do you mean a raise of 3x BB or was there something like UTG raises, and EP reraises (3 bets)?

3 bet usually means putting in a 3rd bet in a betting round but can also mean to 3bet someone by taking their raise and making it 3x. I have seen it used both ways. Usually when I use it I mean the later of the 2.


how I used it in this example though I used it by him making the 3rd bet. He opened and you raise him if he raises again that would be concidered a 3bet seeing as he put in a third bet in the betting round. If you bet again that would mean you were 4-betting him.

 

[mrsnake3695]

I was a little confused too.

I think you are say there was a standard raise and one caller when it gets to you in the SB? Is that correct? If so, I agree that you need to raise here. 10's can be difficult to play after the flop since you will usually have a t least one overcard after the flop. Plus you are in excellent position for a squeeze play with an actual hand. A raise here also strengthens and C-bet made after the flop. Say the hand comes out with an ace and no 10's. You can still make a bet (being first to act) representing an ace that should get pocket pairs bigger than your 10's to fold if you're facing say QQ. If villan has a big ace you should know pretty soon since he will call or reraise.

Playing the hand the way your frined did means that when he checks and villan fires at the pot you have no idea where you stand and you could be reraise/pushing into a moster.

Now if you mean there was a bet and 2 raisers before you I fold 10-10. No way you could be ahead.

 

[stormswa]

sorry i kinda messed it up, it was raised in EP and MP called and then it got to us in SB.

 

[adamcharlie]

I had a similar hand in live game at casino laborday weekend 1/2 NL i just had a tough beat As 2s 10s hit flop i had Qs9s and nothing came to beat flush someone had Ks3s so I got beat for about $80 the very next hand K high flush guy raises $15 in 1st position I am in 2nd position with AA and $55 left so I move all in then fold and fold 5th position has 10 10 and she calls after a raise and a re-raise (also I should mention I only started with $50 and was on the table for over a hour playing tight) the original better also called very weak call KQoff flop hits J 10 6 8 6 what I would have thought to be the worst starting hand of the three wins LOL. Do you think she did the right thing or did i just get bad beat?