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Mooronic

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Casino tourney so no hh. Early rounds (third I think), blinds were 200/400. I have about average chip stack when compared to the rest of the table - somewhere in the 7 to 8 k range.

I'm dealt A4os in middle position. Folds to me. I throw out a 3x bb raise to see where everyone else stands. 2 callers. Pot is 1600.

Flop is J J 2

Normally I'd bet out, but I'd been recently taking alot of pots with aggresive play via flop bets - so I check. 600 bet by the guy on my left, fold to me - I call, not scared away. Pot is 2800.

Turn is a 2. I figure my ace is probably good now, but check to see how he bets. He checks behind me.

River is a 2. I check assumed we'd be splitting the pot. He pushes all in (similar chip stack to me).

What would you do?
 
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Scary. that flop bet of his may be representing a jack, overpair, or he may have tried to scare you while holding the last two.

If it was still early I'd've folded. Though his all in was extremely random, I guess I'd decide based on how he'd been playing previously.
 
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Although there is a good chance it'll cost you 1400, I think I fold this. The only way I could call is if I have a specific read on villain, but even if I did I'm not sure I can trust it with my tournament life. Take the loss and move on, you can't risk your entire stack just to get the 1400 (1/2 pot).
 
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your looking at villian holding AJ,KJ,QJ even J10, now if you had raised preflop, tou might have known better what he was holding, but since you didn't , the only option you have is to fold.
 
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Flop is J J 2

Normally I'd bet out, but I'd been recently taking alot of pots with aggresive play via flop bets - so I check. 600 bet by the guy on my left, fold to me - I call, not scared away. Pot is 2800.
You've given your reasons for checking (even though this is an obvious board for a continuation bet from you as the initial raiser), but why call the 600 bet? As it is, you've got to the river and are totally in the dark to what he has. You've now (assuming 7k stacks each) got to call 5,200 to either win a max of 7,000 or bust out - 75% of the time here he's got to have nothing for it to be a +ev play, i dont think that's likely, you've got to fold surely?(but a bet earlier would have saved you this decision).
 
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You really can't be calling a 600 bet on the flop. You either:

A) Lead out with a decent sized raise.

B) Check and then re-raise.

C) Check and fold.

Cheers,

BF.
 
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Yes, I should've raised his flop bet, but I may have been reraised. My call to his bet was based on odds - plus I didn't think he hit it and I was holding ace high. My preflop strategy was to play the hand passive in hopes of taking advantage of my current aggressive table image - eh, didn't work out.

Turns out I folded, my reasoning based on a risk/reward - there was a definate chance, albiet small, he was holding a monster and it wasn't worth my tourny life at at best earn a split. It was a bit of a low move by him so early in the tourny (which I told him) and he showed me his cards, A6 of hearts, so at least I was beat preflop. Nonetheless, I was still happy to see him knocked out a few hands later.
 
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It was a bit of a low move by him so early in the tourny (which I told him) and he showed me his cards, A6 of hearts, so at least I was beat preflop.
:confused: There are no low moves in poker, he pushed you off the pot knowing that you would have to have one of 3 cards to call. Risky, and it would have been nice to have knocked him out, but it's better to make that bet than to call it.
 
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I made the mistake of calling in a situation like this during a freeroll. Guy had a higher pocket pair than was on the board.

Had it not been a freeroll I wouldn't have called his river all in, but it was still a dumb move for how many chips we'd have split compared to how many I lost in calling.
 
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Yes, I should've raised his flop bet, but I may have been reraised. My call to his bet was based on odds - plus I didn't think he hit it and I was holding ace high. My preflop strategy was to play the hand passive in hopes of taking advantage of my current aggressive table image - eh, didn't work out.

Turns out I folded, my reasoning based on a risk/reward - there was a definate chance, albiet small, he was holding a monster and it wasn't worth my tourny life at at best earn a split. It was a bit of a low move by him so early in the tourny (which I told him) and he showed me his cards, A6 of hearts, so at least I was beat preflop. Nonetheless, I was still happy to see him knocked out a few hands later.
(In bold italics), and if you had been reraised you may have been a better position to know what villian was holing and wouldn't have had to go to the river.
 
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I made the mistake of calling in a situation like this during a freeroll. Guy had a higher pocket pair than was on the board.

Had it not been a freeroll I wouldn't have called his river all in, but it was still a dumb move for how many chips we'd have split compared to how many I lost in calling.


Exactly, its the risk/reward that makes this a fold. I can agree that the hand could have been played differently in some points, but as played the river has to be a fold.
 
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