$Freeroll NLHE STT Turbo: Absolutely Wild

[General3Bet]

This is one of the craziest hands I've ever been in, the villain I was against once folded to my flopped nut straight on river, saying i had K10 in chat correct read. Was some messed up poker head games going on, and this hand was one for the records. On the bubble in 100k play chips STT. "Technically" 1 spot before Step 7 ticket, 1 player was sitting out.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds (4 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

saw flop | saw showdown

SB (t510)
Hero (BB) (t3,509)
UTG (t5,452)
Button (t4,029)

Hero's M: 5.85

Preflop: Hero is BB with

,

1 fold, Button raises to t800, 1 fold, Hero calls t400

Flop: (t1,800)

,

,

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t400, Hero calls t400

Turn: (t2,600)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t800, Hero calls t800

River: (t4,200)

(2 players)
Hero bets t1,509 (All-In), Button calls t1,509

Total pot: t7,218

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had 6

, 4

(one pair, fours).
Hero had 7

, 5

(one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero won t7,218

So if you're wondering on the thoughts through the hand, I called from the BB loose with 75s bcuz he opens so wide its any 2 randoms.
Flop is 2 High cards and a 4 I check and he leads out small.
I feel like floating the flop here, try to take it away on a later street.
I turn 2nd bottom pair and he leads out again 2x the size, and Im not sure what im doing here my best option is to bluff i feel he might bust a draw on river or i can get him to fold any pair here except top. I call.
River completes draws like J10, running Flush, so its a dangerous card to bluff into OOP on river, but i snap shoved to blow him off if he missed, I got a call and i knew the bluff didn't work, until he figured i bluffed with air he called me down with 64o bottom pair. So sick worst call in history, i was shocked he thot i had nothing.

 

[horizon12]

fold we have 9 bb only , 75s this trash hand , and in flop we be opp.. Many overcards we cary, and on c-bet we fold,, And most importantly BB short stack,,

About shove this hand, this very marginal decision , near bubble we dont want get call, and out with 75s..

 

[RamdeeBen]

Fold pre, this is a terrible defend given our stack size and position.

 

[BearPlay]

I'm having a hard time understanding why you were in with 57. For me, this is an easy fold

 

[Arjonius]

It's often helpful to provide more info. What did 1st and 2nd pay, and which player was sitting out?

As for how you played the hand, it's not just about having some reason for your actions. More important is whether you considered the pros and cons of all reasonable options within the context of the tournament situation, and made the best decision.

I find it hard to imagine calling pre as the best choice.

 

[General3Bet]

Lol its just funny seeing how serious people get because i didnt wait for jacks or something idk exactly... I was already past making my step ticket back and the way i play

I play ftw and if theres an opportunity to smash a pot down in any way i do so, It was just crazy that he river called me thinking i had no made hand and i was trying to blow him off with air, i was pretty sure he would fold regardless, it was just a wild hand.

Giving him respect for a hand that i think u guys were giving him is not on par i think it was a pretty sick play being i like to only continue with monsters, i just often pick the right spot to bluff, and apparently i wasnt bluffing this time and he called with worse. But he either thot i missed a draw and it was my only way out, because i kinda polarized my range since i usually only lead like that with nuts or air on river like that.

F--k the stack sizes and position when u can just keep taking wins making lots of big moves. Unpredictable is also a factor.

 

[Rldetheflop]

Lol its just funny seeing how serious people get because i didnt wait for jacks or something idk exactly... I was already past making my step ticket back and the way i play

I play ftw and if theres an opportunity to smash a pot down in any way i do so, It was just crazy that he river called me thinking i had no made hand and i was trying to blow him off with air, i was pretty sure he would fold regardless, it was just a wild hand.

Giving him respect for a hand that i think u guys were giving him is not on par i think it was a pretty sick play being i like to only continue with monsters, i just often pick the right spot to bluff, and apparently i wasnt bluffing this time and he called with worse. But he either thot i missed a draw and it was my only way out, because i kinda polarized my range since i usually only lead like that with nuts or air on river like that.

F--k the stack sizes and position when u can just keep taking wins making lots of big moves. Unpredictable is also a factor.

to the bolded: this sounds like the motto of someone who will be losing a lot of money playing poker (if you ever play for real money)

No one is saying wait for monsters as it is not so much about cards but spots and this spot is just awful.

Now if you are looking for someone to say that villain made a bad call on the river I will say it, "It was atrocious" but not really relevant since it should have never gotten that far.

 

[General3Bet]

Kinda stupid tho when i wait for KK on the bubble up against 88 they hit over 50% of the time idk why. So seems these plays are what getting me many wins for now playing very LAG the whole game instead of playing TAG

 

[RamdeeBen]

Lol its just funny seeing how serious people get because i didnt wait for jacks or something idk exactly... I was already past making my step ticket back and the way i play

I play ftw and if theres an opportunity to smash a pot down in any way i do so, It was just crazy that he river called me thinking i had no made hand and i was trying to blow him off with air, i was pretty sure he would fold regardless, it was just a wild hand.

Giving him respect for a hand that i think u guys were giving him is not on par i think it was a pretty sick play being i like to only continue with monsters, i just often pick the right spot to bluff, and apparently i wasnt bluffing this time and he called with worse. But he either thot i missed a draw and it was my only way out, because i kinda polarized my range since i usually only lead like that with nuts or air on river like that.

F--k the stack sizes and position when u can just keep taking wins making lots of big moves. Unpredictable is also a factor.

It's not that we're saying wait for jacks or whatever. It's called taking profitable lines, calling on a 9bb stack with a suited hand is a losing play that's just a fact. We're trying to maximize our EV but the line you took is -EV. If you're really going for a win, you should be 3B shoving hands if you think you have fold equity or shoving in correct spots etc not calling trying to hit with a very mediocre hand on such a shorts stack.

You can't just say "f--k the stack sizes and position" because that's the most important factor in becoming a good winning MTT player in the long run. Simply put, if you play like that regularly with the same sort of hands you're going to be losing a LOT of money.

Kinda stupid tho when i wait for KK on the bubble up against 88 they hit over 50% of the time idk why. So seems these plays are what getting me many wins for now playing very LAG the whole game instead of playing TAG

No they don't hit 50% of the time. That's impossible over the long term and that's all we're interested in, long term EV results not short term. Getting in KK vs 88 isn't going to lose 50% of the time, how is that even possible when we know KK vs 88 all in pre flop is an 80% favourite? It's called small sample sizes and variance, if you're winning recently playing the way you are, this is just variance going in your favour but will ultimately end up losing play.

 

[konatus]

Fold because the player on SB has only 1BB. If you read a bit of Independent Chip Model (ICM) you will understand that in this spot the play is a very easy fold. Maybe your call with 57s has a (Equity Call with 57s) < (Equity of Fold) in this spot.

You should study a bit of ICM because is the core of STT. Study a bit of expected value too. Good Luck.

 

[Arjonius]

Lol its just funny seeing how serious people get because i didnt wait for jacks or something idk exactly...

Lol it's just funny seeing how defensive some people get because they didn't get the feedback they wanted.

 

[BearPlay]

Lol it's just funny seeing how defensive some people get because they didn't get the feedback they wanted.

Got my grin for the day. Thanks Arjonius. I can always count on you

 

[General3Bet]

I know how loose this defend is, Im not a bad player, I am very consistent but idgaf about bragging about if im good if there was sharkscope for play money you would shyt the bed.

Last time i post a hand for analysis on this site, just because of the negative members.

Was I posting the hand because I wasnt sure if i should call or not pre or on flop? No. I was posting it because it was the most wild hand i have ever been in for my entire life, because i never bluffed second bottom pair and got called by worse, i bluffed because i got my buyin back with 4 players, and next pay jump is second. I have to get chips at some point anyways. If i blind myself out waiting for a spot i get sucked out on more often than u would even believe tbh, more often than a rigtard spewing, so a maniac bluff i felt like doing for once that turned out not to be a bluff. thats why i posted it, it was crazy.

You guys are going on like its serious thats what made me shoot my mouth off, and then arjonius makes a smart a$$ remark that brings no value to the forum at all other than a chuckle. If ur gonna laugh at something, laugh at the call, thats what im getting at. Its no contribution to be a d*ck, even giving suggestions like STT icm and EV is fine. Because theres a chance i may have to learn from something, and u contribute, all this was is a bluff because after the history me and the villain had this s&g, and my sense of weakness, my bluff was gonna get thru easily with the completed draws. Im playing play money ffs, bluffwise i had nothing to lose. My buyin back, good pot on the line to be taken by a bluff that villain knows i would never bluff in this spot (thats why i fckn bluffed, but he might have tilt called thinking i seriously had air.

I know how to wait for good spots, and ive made some sick reads in play money even. I once folded JJ full house on river with paired QQ on board, i would never fold it there, but i had a sick read and folded for first time folding a full house.

But for the future to make the next member wanted on this forum, give some advice that could be of use to them, and not make just a comment with no value to the forum, I'm clearly not posting my hands that could have had value to be analysed because i may have been missing something in my game, this one wasnt to ask if i was missing something in my game, this was the wildest hand ever thats all. So next time i find a funky spot which hasn't come up in weeks cuz i wasnt playing, ill gladly turn to the previous forum i was at, where i got real feedback and not a couple stupid posts. Its stupid, what idiot wouldnt know that 75 is not profitable to play with that Mzone in that position at that point in the STT, uhhh duuuh. If i wasnt sure if i should call pre with so many BB in the general STT and to call the flop with air, i would have stated so.

 

[jj20002]

absolutely wild? absolutely gambling! this hand doesn´t allow any room for learning, it´s just gambling,

this is similar to post a hand from the All-in Shootout, it doesn´t make sense at all,

anyway is a freeroll, so just push any hand like 75s if think it´s good enough and that´s it, if win double and if lose register in the next one, it´s free!

 

[General3Bet]

Bluff. Pretty straight forward, its a bluff and thats what it was. If i was a gambler i would wait for any PP or 2 broadways preflop and friggen ship it but i felt like i could bluff him off any 1 pair on that board. Have u ever bluffed a river before, or do u go for value 100% of the time and never bluff, i would like to play u heads up cuz i could probly read u like a book since u play predictable. If i never bluffed in my game, i would not nearly win as often as i do. The push was a bluff. Can u do it, what did he think i was shipping there because i sure as hell wouldnt without AJ, a flush, thin value shove from two pair, or a bluff.

 

[jj20002]

I got a call and i knew the bluff didn't work, until he figured i bluffed with air he called me down with 64o bottom pair. So sick worst call in history, i was shocked he thot i had nothing.

friend here you said everything, bluff with air and didn´t work,

however if it makes you happy it´s ok, that´s the reason we play: to have fun

so this hand is good for having fun but not for analysis,

 

[Arjonius]

Im not a bad player, I am very consistent but idgaf about bragging about if im good if there was sharkscope for play money you would shyt the bed.

If you don't care about telling other people you're good, then why did you just feel the need to do so?

And even if crushing play chip games means you're a great player, what does that have to do with your decisions on this particular hand? The best players make sub-optimal, mediocre and even bad decisions. Just not as often.

 

[BearPlay]

Fly to Las Vegas. Reach in your wallet. Place all of your Franklins on red. Let the roulette wheel spin. Black. Ask casino manager for junket to fly home. Defeated. Wondering whether you made the right decision.

Same thing Good luck

 

[General3Bet]

Fly to Las Vegas. Reach in your wallet. Place all of your Franklins on red. Let the roulette wheel spin. Black. Ask casino manager for junket to fly home. Defeated. Wondering whether you made the right decision.

Same thing Good luck

I know i made probly the loosest play i ever made, but that statement lacks intelligence. That was not relevant, open ended str8 flush draw vs TPTK on a flop all in would fit that much better. A bluff rly has nothing do with with a coin flip.

 

[dirtyoldog]

this thread is so funny heeeeeeeee hawwwwwwwwww im taking my ball and going home

 

[ravpl]

I fold here. U have only 9bb so u shoudln't call. Go all in or fold.

 

[rumsey182]

fold pre, fold flop, fold turn, fold river,..did i miss a spot?

 

[Arjonius]

fold pre, fold flop, fold turn, fold river,..did i miss a spot?

If you're in a state of mind where you think playing this hand the way it was played is good poker, fold pre-tournament (i.e. don't enter)

 

[rumsey182]

If you're in a state of mind where you think playing this hand the way it was played is good poker, fold pre-tournament (i.e. don't enter)

i saw a funny post a long time ago when a poster on deucescracked asked for advice in a 2-4 game vs one of the best coaches on the site. One of the founders suggested folding pre game lol so true

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

while the OP is not being gracious with his responses....the thread is getting a little bit bashy, too.

so most of the time we're all gonna fold preflop. Sure. That's standard, just because we sometimes make a non-standard play doesn't make us bad players.

In the right situation, if I feel the raiser is bullying the table with any 2 cards....I might flat right here since it was a MIN RAISE then jam on the right kind of flop....

I can't recommend the line the OP took, but I don't know why we can't just all get along? :knuddel: