$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Two hands for analysis

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DoIHaveAFlush

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Hi dear CC community, here two hands were I would like to hear your opinion:

First Hand:


pokerstars - 50/100 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: 3,122 (31.2 bb)
SB: 7,080 (70.8 bb)
BB: 2,775 (27.8 bb)
UTG: 1,810 (18.1 bb)
UTG+1: 5,413 (54.1 bb)
Hero (MP): 3,163 (31.6 bb)
MP+1: 6,535 (65.4 bb)
MP+2: 2,682 (26.8 bb)
CO: 12,883 (128.8 bb)

SB posts 50, BB posts 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 150) Hero has :kh4: :ac4:
2 folds, Hero raises to 250, MP+1 calls 250, 5 folds

Flop: (650, 2 players) :ad4: :4s4: :qh4:
Hero checks, MP+1 checks

Turn: (650, 2 players) :9c4:
Hero bets 325, MP+1 calls 325

River: (1,300, 2 players) :5s4:
Hero bets 867, MP+1 raises to 5,960 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,721 and is all-in

Results: 6,476 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :ad4: :4s4: :qh4: :9c4: :5s4:

MP+1 shows :as4: :4c4:: (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 27%, Flop 70%, Turn 80%)

Hero shows :kh4: :ac4:: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 73%, Flop 30%, Turn 20%)

MP+1 wins 6,476


About first hand as explanation why i did not raise on the flop hitting top pair headsup: I wanted to give villain the opportunity to bluff on me..well..obviously this backfires sometimes. However, if this implies that this kind of slowplaying should NOT be used very often, my conclusion is to instead be raising headsup when you hit TPTK? Correct?




Second Hand:


PokerStars - 25/50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

SB: 2,550 (51 bb)
BB: 2,287 (45.7 bb)
UTG: 3,012 (60.2 bb)
UTG+1: 2,925 (58.5 bb)
Hero (MP): 5,713 (114.3 bb)
MP+1: 3,207 (64.1 bb)
MP+2: 638 (12.8 bb)
CO: 3,155 (63.1 bb)
BTN: 3,513 (70.3 bb)

SB posts 25, BB posts 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has :9s4: :as4:
2 folds, Hero raises to 125, fold, MP+2 calls 125, 2 folds, SB raises to 200, fold, Hero calls 75, MP+2 calls 75

Flop: (650, 3 players) :2d4: :8s4: :7s4:
SB bets 2,350 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,350, MP+2 calls 438 and is all-in

Turn: (5,788, 3 players) :kd4:

River: (5,788, 3 players) :jh4:

Results: 5,788 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :2d4: :8s4: :7s4: :kd4: :jh4:

SB shows :ad4: :8c4:: (One Pair, Eights)
Main Pot: [1,964]: (Pre 23%, Flop 39%, Turn 62%)
Side Pot: [3,824]: (Pre 29%, Flop 50%, Turn 71%)

Hero shows :9s4: :as4:: (High Card, Ace)
Main Pot: [1,964]: (Pre 44%, Flop 47%, Turn 29%)
Side Pot: [3,824]: (Pre 71%, Flop 50%, Turn 29%)

MP+2 shows :7c4: :5c4:: (One Pair, Sevens)
Main Pot: [1,964]: (Pre 33%, Flop 14%, Turn 10%)

SB wins 5,788

About the second hand: would you have called the all-in? For me it sounded like villain had either a weaker flush draw OR a set - having a nut flush draw, I thought I could beat both if i got lucky, having roughly 38% chance of hitting that flush..

Looking forward to your feedback, how you would have played it and why ;-)

Thank you!

Cheers,
DoIHaveAFlush;)
 
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300HPGOD

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Hand 1: I know you said you were trying to induce a bluff but it would be far better to bet and get called by another Ax hand or someone who is sticky with Qx. It is a freeroll so anything is possible and the villain could maybe bluff with some air or semibluff something like KJ or J10 but they also call a bet when they have those hands. I think it is better to build a pot with TPTK instead of hoping they bluff you or bet for what they think is value. At 31 BB I would be going all the way this hand so if I bet at any time and get raised I would be putting in. That might be a little spewy and there might not be many bluffs with a raise like you see on the river here but sometimes you have to go with it and this hand and stack lends itself to going with it.

Hand 2: The raise is fine pre flop and the call is mandatory at that price however the small 3 bet looks nutty. It is a freeroll so you never know but I would not be shocked if villain would have had KK here. With that being said, I would be viewing the flop as I have nut flush draw, backdoor straight, and one overcard which would put us at close to even money. The math says call this as they could be worse than this (turns out we are 48% ish against the hand they had since it is still flush draw and one over) but putting in 114 BB here is a lot. Its a freeroll so anything could be going on and would depend on if you feel like gambling here or think that you have a skill advantage on most and can gain chips gradually throughout the tourney.
 
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Hand 1 AK

Preflop
Standard raise I like your sizing.

Flop
I understand your rationale for checking, because you are out of position, and the flop is pretty dry. But I still think, your hand is simply to strong to check. With this stack size you are happy to play for stacks and hope to get it in against his AJ, AT, A9 etc, which he will have more often than a flopped two pair or set. You also want to charge his gutshot draws and hands like QJ, that have 5 outs. So my default plan here would be bet, bet, shove, and if I get raised at any point, my plan is to call it off.

Turn
Standard value bet as played.

River
Standard value bet as played. When he raise, I am certainly not loving it, and I think, you will get shown some random two pair here a lot. Turns out he flopped it and also slowplayed, which is kind of weird. Even so I dont blame you for calling it off. You are getting 3:1, and its a freeroll, so god knows, what people might show up with here. You also underrepped your hand by checking the flop.

Results
Fundamentally this is just a cooler, and its fine to go broke. However it would have been better to go broke by betting the flop and getting chips in the pot earlier.

Hand 2 A9s

Preflop
Another standard raise. When you face an undersized 3-bet with a hand like A9s, it kind of sucks. But no other option than to just call and take a flop in position. Right off the bat I will make a mental note, that he is probably a huge fish given his silly sizing.

Flop
This one is close, and it largely depend on, how you want to play the tournament. You need around 40% equity to break even in pure chip EV, and you have more than 40% against a realistic range. You have less than 50% though, so folding here and "looking for better spots" can be fine, but you can also go for the "go strong or go home" approach. If this was one of the bounty freerolls on PokerStars, then calling seem fairly mandatory, since you have him covered, and knocking other players out is the whole point.

Result
His hand and the way, he played it, fully confirm, that he was a huge fish. This time he got the better of you, it is, what it is.
 
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Hello, I agree mostly with guys.
1 hand AKo: I also think that on the flop better play any bet than play check. I don't want to give our opponent a free card, because on the flop he can any pair and free card on the turn can give him a second pair. I don't see any escape with TPTK in freeroll tournament.
2 hand a9s. For me a9s from this position is a fold, because one opponent behind us is a short stack, he can goes allin, but I don't like calling allinow with a9s. As played - on the flop for me probably is a fold, because I don't like calling allins with possible 12 outs, it is very risky move. GL :)
 
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Hello, agree with most of what has been said so far, but I would add that maybe villains' stats or showdowns might help here.

On hand 1 for example, if villain has been aggressive, then checking that flop is a good option, since the board is really dry and betting could make a queen fold here, especially if he's been tight. The turn bet is good, and the river bet too - but with his raise I don't see many weaker aces than yours on his range at this point. odds say call, but I wouldn't.

Hand 2 is a bit tougher because his 3-bet pre was very small, which means he's either a fish like fundiver said, or he's trapping like 300HPGOD said. Again, stats and previous hands (if you had any) could be useful, not only to determine what the SB is doing but also to anticipate what MP+2 will do. He's very short stacked here and could also be trapping with a monster. If you don't have any info on them, I guess the call is OK, since if MP+2 shoves and SB does too, you have an easy fold.

As played, I would've called too, the odds are good because you most likely have around 12 outs, and it's a freeroll, so you can expect a wider range from opponents.

GL!
 
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Hi dear CC community, here two hands were I would like to hear your opinion:

First Hand:


PokerStars - 50/100 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: 3,122 (31.2 bb)
SB: 7,080 (70.8 bb)
BB: 2,775 (27.8 bb)
UTG: 1,810 (18.1 bb)
UTG+1: 5,413 (54.1 bb)
Hero (MP): 3,163 (31.6 bb)
MP+1: 6,535 (65.4 bb)
MP+2: 2,682 (26.8 bb)
CO: 12,883 (128.8 bb)

SB posts 50, BB posts 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 150) Hero has :kh4: :ac4:
2 folds, Hero raises to 250, MP+1 calls 250, 5 folds

Flop: (650, 2 players) :ad4: :4s4: :qh4:
Hero checks, MP+1 checks

Turn: (650, 2 players) :9c4:
Hero bets 325, MP+1 calls 325

River: (1,300, 2 players) :5s4:
Hero bets 867, MP+1 raises to 5,960 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,721 and is all-in

Results: 6,476 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :ad4: :4s4: :qh4: :9c4: :5s4:

MP+1 shows :as4: :4c4:: (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 27%, Flop 70%, Turn 80%)

Hero shows :kh4: :ac4:: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 73%, Flop 30%, Turn 20%)

MP+1 wins 6,476


About first hand as explanation why i did not raise on the flop hitting top pair headsup: I wanted to give villain the opportunity to bluff on me..well..obviously this backfires sometimes. However, if this implies that this kind of slowplaying should NOT be used very often, my conclusion is to instead be raising headsup when you hit TPTK? Correct?




Second Hand:


PokerStars - 25/50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

SB: 2,550 (51 bb)
BB: 2,287 (45.7 bb)
UTG: 3,012 (60.2 bb)
UTG+1: 2,925 (58.5 bb)
Hero (MP): 5,713 (114.3 bb)
MP+1: 3,207 (64.1 bb)
MP+2: 638 (12.8 bb)
CO: 3,155 (63.1 bb)
BTN: 3,513 (70.3 bb)

SB posts 25, BB posts 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has :9s4: :as4:
2 folds, Hero raises to 125, fold, MP+2 calls 125, 2 folds, SB raises to 200, fold, Hero calls 75, MP+2 calls 75

Flop: (650, 3 players) :2d4: :8s4: :7s4:
SB bets 2,350 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,350, MP+2 calls 438 and is all-in

Turn: (5,788, 3 players) :kd4:

River: (5,788, 3 players) :jh4:

Results: 5,788 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :2d4: :8s4: :7s4: :kd4: :jh4:

SB shows :ad4: :8c4:: (One Pair, Eights)
Main Pot: [1,964]: (Pre 23%, Flop 39%, Turn 62%)
Side Pot: [3,824]: (Pre 29%, Flop 50%, Turn 71%)

Hero shows :9s4: :as4:: (High Card, Ace)
Main Pot: [1,964]: (Pre 44%, Flop 47%, Turn 29%)
Side Pot: [3,824]: (Pre 71%, Flop 50%, Turn 29%)

MP+2 shows :7c4: :5c4:: (One Pair, Sevens)
Main Pot: [1,964]: (Pre 33%, Flop 14%, Turn 10%)

SB wins 5,788

About the second hand: would you have called the all-in? For me it sounded like villain had either a weaker flush draw OR a set - having a nut flush draw, I thought I could beat both if i got lucky, having roughly 38% chance of hitting that flush..

Looking forward to your feedback, how you would have played it and why ;-)

Thank you!

Cheers,
DoIHaveAFlush;)

Thank U 4 Posting

Hand 1

Flop and turn are fine.

As we learn and grow as players we begin to have more experience on rivers with big decisions for large amounts of BB's this hand is an example of needing to know how to range our Villains and to be able to make folds if our range conclusion warrants it.

So how do we analyze this hand so we can make the best river decision possible.

Step 1 Preparation prior to play
We keep track of player pool tendencies as we play so we know if our Villains are wild -aggressive -passive etc
We also want to know, is the average player highly skilled or below average skill?
We also want to see what range of hands our V like to big bet with. 2 pair plus- balanced ---weak top pair- etc.

Step 2 Preflop
We raise MP and MP1 calls what is a standard range for our V in this spot?

Step 3 Flop
AQ4 What hands from the above range hit this flop and would check behind?

Step 4 Turn
AQ49 What range do we expect to call our bet? What range do we expect our V to put us on? Can we remove hands from their check - calling range that are ahead of us on the turn?

Step5 River
AQ495 We bet river expecting to be called by what? What does the V think we have when we bet that river? Do they think about what we have?
What bluffs would shove this river after we bet large?
Why would they think the 5 would be a good bluff card?
Are naked crazy bluffs common in your player pool?
Has this player made any out of the ordinary bet sizing plays prior to this?
What value hands could our V have on this river?
Is it possible that this V could have just called with AQ or QQ some small % of the time?
If V saw you as a nit would they want to see a flop versus you with those 2 hands?
Are they weak passive enough to just call?
On the river we have put in 1400ish of our stack leaving us 1700 left, the pot is 3800ish can we make any conclusions regarding range of V based on the pot odds they are giving us when they shove?

When we see the results of this hand we want to think about what our V was thinking and whether or not this type of action would be common in our player pool. If it is common we can use this to adapt our thinking of bet sizing on the river and calling river shoves if our V ranges do not have enough bluffs in them or weak calls.

Hope this helps
:):)
 
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First Hand:
Hero bets 867, MP+1 raises to 5,960 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,721 and is all-in
When betting on the river what hands is Hero trying to get value from? 1 pair is not that great when Ax is in MP1 range. I had V on 2 pair + on the turn to call after checking the flop.

Second Hand: As played, it is what it is.
 
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Hand one. you could min rather than 2.5x on these stack sizes . if you feel you need to more than min to get any type of fold equity make it 2.2x. OTF you should bet here because this flop smashes your range and also your hand. since you are blocking the best hands in his range the bet should be smaller in size . he fact that you guys have similar ranges so I feel OK about the bet on the rainbow turn. VS global tendencies for this limit i can pretty easily find the fold button in response to his river raise. In the future I would mark this guy as a fun player because to over call a player in your position pre w/ a hand like A4o is pretty bad unless it is a direct exploit against a certain player or specific player type.

Hand 2 is your typical spazz jam you will go pretty far in the micros once you learn that this is a fold. its just a bad odds play. I dont mind the call in theory but in LL this is almost always a fear based Jam by a solidified hand (one the seldom improves and can be easily drawn out on) of some strength
 
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