$Freeroll NLHE MTT Turbo Rebuy: 888poker

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The only question to ask here is, if you could perhaps have gotten more value by moving all in preflop. Its difficult to say, but you got CO to call off a third of his stack, so maybe he would also have called off a jam. I dont think, there is anything wrong with going for the undersized isolation with AA though and inviting a bit of action. Just be aware, that when you let multible people into the pot, AA is going to get cracked more often. So dont cry like a baby, if one of them jam on the flop and show you a straight or two pair ;)
 
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That's a terrible flop for your Aces vs 2 players. They both folded, though, so my overwhelming emotion would have been relief.
 
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There is two ways to play this with 20BB ish. You can do as you did and raise to get calls or action or you can rip it. I think when opponents stacks are deep and you are at 20 it is better to just raise as you did. When effective stacks are small (especially as small as villain 2) I think it is better to jam here. It makes your hand look weaker and will also give you protection when you jam a 20 BB stack with other hands in re-jam spots such as when you have big Ax or some re-jam pairs. If the stack that is at 12BB or will be calling a 4BB raise after limping then they easily could call a jam as well.
 
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I will open an account at 888 and try this freeroll as well. TY cardchat. GL to all
 
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For 20bb with two limpers in front - i am just jamming off here. I would do the same thing with like 77+ AJo+ ATs+ maaaaaybe even KQs - although I think i overlimp that combo here alot. Point is I am jamming off way worse than AA here and we are going to get called a decent amount of the time. Easy move for sure. The iso I think is 2nd best - and when we do - we have to go larger than 9600 - we are simply pricing villans in at that point and while that's fine with AA we need to stick to standard sizings as not to deviate from standard strategy and allow smarter villans to deduce the strength of our hand - so with the limps in front i would take this up to like 10800 - 11500. With two limpers in front it is more than fine to size up just a bit more than 4x.

As played i would NOT cbet this flop with AA - you have the best hand a ton of the time here - but this is one of those boards that can change alot on turns and rivers so while we have the best hand quite often - we still want to be careful and NOT overplay our hand - so I like the check back. Keeps us nice and balanced here as well since hardly no freebuy villans are ever checking AA on any flop. We can jist get it in on later streets that are safer for us anyhow and it leaves our villans open to some bluffs as well.

Conclusion - I would open jam this spot -- as played, check those AAs on that soak and wet board and evaluate turns. Don't overplay your single pair hand!!!
 
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I would have liked your bet size if this was a tourney with a higher buy-in, but as it is a freeroll probably at least one of those 2 limpers would have called your all-in and it would have turned the hand safer since probably you would be competing against only one of them.
 
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a very good position with a very good hand and a lot of emotions in the end https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/4a1zRqf5


Thank U 4 Posting

Watching replayer one street at a time.
Stopped at your raise.

2 limps we have 20bb we raise and not shove? Why not isolate or take the pot down? One of the limpers has 11bb left after limping we could be targeting that stack with a shove.
Did you know they would fold their entire limping range to a shove? What about a 6bb raise preflop what happens then? Might the small stack think you are stealing and reshove?

4bb pot if everyone folds pre that is a 20% stack increase not a bad outcome.

Our raise to 9600 makes the pot 19k ish 7200 to call so BB is getting 2.6 to 1 and if the BB calls we could have the domino effect where each player gets better odds to call and they all just assume we have AA and call with hands that crack it but are not dominated by it.

Next action

BB folds but the big stack that can break us takes the pot odds and the smaller stack does as well. This certainly looks like we could have shoved and got heads up with the 11bb stack. It seems the shorty wants to see a flop.
In a tournament we need to protect our stack when we are 20bb or lower as we cannot really fold post flop now.

Flop

We effectively shove the flop getting no value from weaker hands and only being called by stronger hands. So we do not punish the V(villains) for chasing we let them off the hook We even have the AH so we eliminate that draw on the flop but have the backdoor redraw ourselves.

You may have played this exact spot perfectly. Getting 6bb extra preflop and protecting against some runner runner suck out hand. Happy for U that you won the pot.

Here are some thoughts that may be of value.

So when we see this flop and decide to shove which is what a half our stack bet is we know we have to call. If we know we are not folding this flop why not small bet call off any raise- which allows the first limper with a big stack to bluff us or if we get 2 more calls we win say 3 bb from each caller and then we shove turns? Would that strategy not be more inline with your preflop choice to not shove? Also if the short stack chases again they have 5bb left and call off on a prayer on the turn some of the time.

Your V seemed to be doing exactly what I said they were doing- playing AA crackers and the short stack had the best of it. The short stack had the chance to double + their stack for 3bb. While taking almost no risk post-flop.

Was it possible to take an action that would get either limper to over play 1 pair hands on that flop? If you checked knowing you were never folding was the big stack aggressive enough to try to steal the pot with the shorty still in there?


I would be expecting to get a large number of folds or lose my stack to that sizing on that flop. So I would be happy with the folds.

I would still be wondering though if had I shoved preflop one of these V would have called or even both meaning I left 8bb min 24 bb maximum on the table.

Hope this helps
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I would still be wondering though if had I shoved preflop one of these V would have called or even both meaning I left 8bb min 24 bb maximum on the table.

I think, there is a very high chance, that at least CO would have called it off. This hand is from a 1,1$ tournament on pokerstars, so people are playing for their own money here, even though its a very small amount. And look what UTG limped and then called off with for 20BB with an isolation and a jam behind him! If I had just called the isolation raise and allowed him to see a cheap flop, he would surely not have put the rest of his chips in.

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I think, there is a very high chance, that at least CO would have called it off. This hand is from a 1,1$ tournament on PokerStars, so people are playing for their own money here, even though its a very small amount. And look what UTG limped and then called off with for 20BB with an isolation and a jam behind him! If I had just called the isolation raise and allowed him to see a cheap flop, he would surely not have put the rest of his chips in.

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Thank U 4 Posting.

Your example of players being willing to chase preflop not post -is a great data add to my suggestion of shoving preflop.

Even the loosest of players can make decent folds for their stack after seeing 3 cards and when we show strength on two streets not 1

As always you share good insights.

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