$Freeroll NLHE MTT Rebuy: 17bb JJ should just shove? A cooler or a bad play?

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This happened in Jackpot freerolls tourney at pokerstars. Late stage, about 70 people left out of 6000+. Sounds like a deeprun lol.

PokerStars №189263800083: Tourney ID №2341031839, $0.01+$0.00 USD, Jackpot Freerolls, NLH, Level 24 (4000/8000 + 1000 antes) - 29.07.2018 0:52:13 MSK [28.07.2018 17:52:13 ВВ]

Table '2341031839 84', 9-max, Button is seat 5

1: leonidovich1 (101568)
2: rubena19 (160074)
3: 3gdata (135240)
4: starsik1000 (441465)
5 (btn): V_Sigme (347060)
6 (SB): Pierre869 (175542)
7 (BB): Painfullguy (45569)
8: nadmid (169296)
9: cezar042 (93051)

Dealt to 3gdata Jd Js
17bb stack

nadmid: fold
cezar042: fold
leonidovich1: fold
rubena19: fold
3gdata: raise to 16000
starsik1000: fold
V_Sigme: call 16000
Pierre869: fold
Painfullguy: call 8000

Well, 3-way pot against BB and BTN.

Flop 4s Td Tc

Painfullguy: all-in for 28569

3gdata: raise 118240 and all-in
V_Sigme: call 118240


Any thoughts? Could I do anything different? Just wonder was my play good or not. Would you play this hand some different?
Was my 2bb raise with 17bb stack good or should I just push instead? Or maybe make it 2.5 or 3bb?
And what about flop? BB shoved his last 3.5bb and I wondered what to do better. I didn't wish to just call there. I didn't mind to play with BB at all but there was another guy sitting on the BTN with huge amount of chips. If I just call then what to do on the turn and maybe river? I thought I should have got rid of him and defended my pair. That's why I made a re-push. Could I just call there (and why I should have)? I think in that case I just had to blow, we'd play there for all chips no matter what. If BTN guy don't have a boat maybe there could be any difference but what could I do in this specific hand?

Results are under the spoiler.

Turn 4s Td Tc 3♥
River 4s Td Tc 3h K♣

3gdata: Jd Js (two pairs)
V_Sigme: 4h 4c (full house)
V_Sigme gets 179342 from the side pot
Painfullguy: 4d 3d (two pairs)
V_Sigme gets 146707 from the main pot

3gdata finished in 69th ($0.40)
Painfullguy finished in 70th ($0.40)
 
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I guess, I pushed that hand preflop. With the min raise you were inviting the others to the see the flop. And I guess, even with a 3bb raise the big stack would have called you. (I write all, without seeing the spoiler)
The short stack I would have called definitely as well on the flop, because he could have had any 2. The problem is only, that you wasn't alone with him in pot.
The big stack could have called with any T9-TA... But how likely it is, that he hit the flop. Therefore, I guess I also reshoved to protect the hand.
 
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Limp in limp out, control your emotions from the flop. folding you're still in the game JJ so many ways to lose with it.

The big push by 4s is standard on PS everyone gets a big piece of the pie most hands, you think you're ahead and boom you push over the top to find he's not bluffing.
 
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I find this hh very interesting. I must admit that even after thinking about it I am not sure what I would consider to be the right play.

Pre flop is close for me between shoving and a standard raise (min raise this deep in the turny). This is also a bit table dependent. If people are 3 betting light, I think a standard raise is preferable, as I dont mind playing for stacks with JJ, 17 bb deep against most ranges. If we had 15 bb I would open shove for sure.

On the flop I think I would shove. The bb is no threat as he can have anything. There are about 10 bb in the pot before we act, and a call will give button a chance to fish with overcards. We cant really afford to be "sucked" out, in this spot.

My 2 cents
 
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preflop is good, but on the flop when you are pushing you kind of value betting yourself. No way btn can call you with anything worse than your hand. I understand that you want to protect your hand, but at the same time you don't want to turn your hand into a bluff. But, you are very short, so pushing is not that bad. If you were deeper, then it is a call for sure. At this stack pushing is okeyish too.
 
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Pre is the best option. Id min raise pre down to like 7bb in micros here.

Flop:Call the 1st jam. Allows you to fold to the 2nd jam.
 
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Pre is the best option. Id min raise pre down to like 7bb in micros here.

Flop:Call the 1st jam. Allows you to fold to the 2nd jam.



Not sure if I understood you right. You mean I could just call the flop and not raise, right? Even though there's another big stack guy still involved in the pot? Do you try to say me that this big stack ain't gonna move additional chips in the pot without a good hand (just because there's still SB and he doesn't need to bluff me out)? We assume here that the BTN is a solid player, not one of these always bluffing players who don't even care about the situation with the side pot. Could I find the fold button easily if he starts doing something?
 
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