This is a discussion on $Freeroll NLHE MTT: ICM says to fold here right? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Hand Analysis section; Trying to make as many good decisions as possible. I still had 52 BB so assumed there would be a better spot. Was that correct?
Trying to make as many good decisions as possible. I still had 52 BB so assumed there would be a better spot. Was that correct? Cause Q♠ T♠ doesn't look so good after a shove and a call! NL Holdem $0+$0 (300.00BB)
Dealt to Hero: Q♠ T♠
UTG Calls $300, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $780, SB Folds, BB Raises To $94108 (allin), UTG Calls $8311 (allin), HERO Folds
2,6BB is a fine size to use when raising first in. But when someone have already limped, you typically want to go to at least 4BB to isolate them and give them a bad price to call with a range, which is usually going to be very weak. If they do call, it also makes it easier to win a big pot postflop, when you have position on someone, who is usually a bad player, since good players rarely limp.
BB jamming for 53BB over a limp and your small raise looks pretty wild. He also has a huge stack, so this looks like a maniac on a heater. However the issue is, that even if he has a crappy hand like K6s or A4o, you are still behind. And if he has a pair like 55-88, you are only flipping, and you are getting a very bad price. So even without considering, that the limper has already called, you clearly have to let this hand go.
Based on the action, easy fold. Also agree with fundiver on the raise size. At this stack depth, I'd probably go either 3.5x or 4x raise. I do agree with the raise to isolate the limper, I probably would take this line as well. Once the BB jams it's an easy fold though. You are almost never going to be ahead here and you'll be dominated a lot. That's not even considering UTG limped and then called the jam, which could be AA/KK if he's any good...but even a bad player will often have broadway type hands here like KQ suited that have you smashed as well.
re: Poker & $Freeroll NLHE MTT: ICM says to fold here right?
Thanks you guys. I usually do size up one more BB per limper over my standard 2.5x raise. Maybe this was a misclick. But I guess it saved me some chips lol. BB shoved with 99, BTW. I left off the results to focus on my decision which seems to have been correct!
Also with this hand keep in mind that SB has a shove stack (or what should be a shove stack, in freerolls people will misplay short stacks often) so when you make this raise you have to be aware of potential jams behind you from smaller stacks. In this specific spot Q10 suited is not a hand I would like to be calling off when 15 BBs out of my 52BBs puts it in. I would almost always be behind there and our position advantage in gone since it is pre flop all in. These types of raises and then having to fold to jam stacks shoving behind you can bleed chips quickly so keep that in mind in future spots like these.
I hate to bring this up because what I am about to say is situation specific and I dont want to confuse people but I disagree with others saying the raise should be bigger as I would say it depends on the opponents here in this freeroll. In a normal tournament with normal opponents I completely agree with others saying the raise should be bigger and agree with their sizing. However, in freerolls a lot the UTG limper is never folding (which is fine since we are isolating) but also the people behind rarely fold, especially a large stack like BB has. In these cases I avoid Q10 suited type hands knowing that if I raise here it is likely going to be called anyway by multiple people (again, let me be clear this is certain opponents only and usually freeroll opponents) so when I am getting involved with a hand like this in this spot I am raising close to what you did knowing we are going multi way anyway and am only raising pre to take the lead the in the hand. I dont want any of the above to be overused, just saying if you play freerolls a lot you will run into many opponents who play 40-70% of hands pre flop and arent going anywhere even if you raise it to 4BB. Thats fine if we want to play a big pot, I dont think in this specific spot we want to play a big hand with the chip leader with a possibly dominated hand even if we will be in position.