$Freeroll NLHE MTT: I can't get this hand out of my head, tough fold that put me in tilt

[NvrBlufn]

$Freeroll NLHE MTT: I can't get this hand out of my head, tough fold that put me in tilt

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 25.8/11.2/1.96

I was kicking myself until the last hand of this tourney. I think I should have snap called this shove but was playing too tightly.

Blinds 100/200, Hand dealt is AQo

3 players fold
MP+1 (4,524) Hero raises to 500
4 players fold
BB (0) Seat 1 raises to 3,010 ALL-IN
MP+1 (4,524) Hero folds


At the time M=15, trying to avoid a coinflip that would leave me short with M=5

I have tried using stack sizes on this ICM, my position UTG+4 indicates a shove here:
http://tinyurl.com/mm5r7tx

Keep in mind this was not the final table however (approx 300/500 remaining) so I do not know if the ICM using only stack sizes from my table is a great tool. :argh:

 

[NvrBlufn]

If I get some interest then I'll tell you all what he had when he shoved.

 

[micromoi]

his range of shoving is pretty wild he have the perfect stack size for a 3bet shove, he could have 88+, A9+ QJs, KQ. u r in a pretty good shape against his range, its a call for me.

 

[imafish]

With his stats, I'd snap-call. Gotta man up in those situations and make that call.

 

[NvrBlufn]

When I look back now I think it was just a move to defend his blind, I didn't spot it because the blinds in my opinion were not large enough for a steal. In fact I wanted to build a pot but I did not want to flip against someone. Classic example of playing too tight approaching the bubble. I see a LOT of people go out early in tournaments because they think its and auto-shove when they get AK or AQ, suited or not.

He had -- I had him pretty crushed, but I tanked on this for twenty seconds and decided to fold. Blinds were going up to 150/300 with antes. I couldn't get myself to click call knowing that a loss here meant I was at the bottom of the list with very little fold equity and forced to shove hands like A7, broadway or pocket 4s

 

[NvrBlufn]

Gotta man up in those situations and make that call.

+1 I think that's why this hand bothered me well after it was done

What about his stats makes this a snap call? Just curious

 

[Arjonius]

Man up? It's about making the best decision you can, not about being macho. 25.8 / 11.8 weak loose, but certainly not maniacal, so while his shoving range probably isn't super narrow, it's also not likely to be super wide. Do you want to risk 2/3 of your stack in this situation? There's no absolutely right answer.

One thing is that before you open in the first place, you might want to have thought ahead so you already an idea of which players have shove-sized stacks and which ones you'll call or not.

 

[NvrBlufn]

Yeah, at this level in the game I did not expect a shove from anybody. It definitely took me by surprise.

No to risking 2/3 my stack, especially because he could still win a lot of the time just depends on how he is running. I was steamed because I wanted to make the call and got cold feet. I didn't make it ITM afterwards anyway so now that I know he shoved A7 I wish I could go back and take that chance against him right there. Certainly could have used the extra chips afterwards.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Along with looking ahead at all stacks yet to act & knowing which ones we'll call a shove, another thing to consider is > will winning the hand significantly change our situation or not. In this case 'yes' it will because you're only sitting on a 22bb stack which limits what we can do where as winning this hand puts us up close to 40bb's (obv. a better spot to be in, giving us more oppurtunities).

 

[Aleksei]

AQo is a standard open-shove in any shortstack situation. Your biggest mistake was not shoving yourself; your second biggest was not reshoving.

 

[duggs]

AQo is a standard open-shove in any shortstack situation. Your biggest mistake was not shoving yourself; your second biggest was not reshoving.

again, no sorry

 

[Aleksei]

again, no sorry

ok?

 

[duggs]

ok?

im noting it for later, ill be back after session

 

[RamdeeBen]

His 13bb re jamming range is going to have worse in this spot, plenty of worse Ax/KQ and middle pairs so at worse I think we're going to be flipping. Had this been with antes in play; it's a snap call but I still think it's a call given it's a freeroll, his stack size and positions.

 

[NvrBlufn]

Along with looking ahead at all stacks yet to act & knowing which ones we'll call a shove, another thing to consider is > will winning the hand significantly change our situation or not. In this case 'yes' it will because you're only sitting on a 22bb stack which limits what we can do where as winning this hand puts us up close to 40bb's (obv. a better spot to be in, giving us more oppurtunities).

Yes. I needed his stack.

This is the most compelling reason so far to get past the logic of shove or fold. I was sitting fourth at my table, but hovering around tournament average. I did not want to slip to 1000 chips just because some sob got lucky, but if I could go back I would call because as ramdeebam correctly stated: it was freeroll and shove ranges are light in order to move through the field and harvest as many chips as you can.

Flips are common in freeroll but not at this table and certainly less after the second break. This player (who went along for roughly 1:4 pots) did not show any aggression like this before this hand. I gave him credit for a pocket pair or AK at the time. His raise percentage was low versus limping and limp or min raise-calling. His raises were never more than 4Bb. In hindsight I should have known that to mean he did not want the call and that is the best time to roll.

AQo is a standard open-shove in any shortstack situation. Your biggest mistake was not shoving yourself; your second biggest was not reshoving.

Tight table overall, it had folded to me and my 500 raise cleared out the rest of the table. His shove was a heads up move.
I was looking for a spot to double up, but I don't usually consider myself short-stacked until I get to 15 Bb or less. Again, I didn't expect that level of aggro from the player.
Still sounds like the kind of hand I'd call with only to lose to a flush or a pair of 7s.

 

[duggs]

ok?

The reason saying AQ is a standard jam whenever short stacked is wrong for several reasons. Firstly short stacked is a pretty general phrase so ill break it Down to effective stacks.

Less than 10bb we should rarely be opening or flatting barring extreme circumstances.

13-20bb is we have a viable r/f range it certainly makes sense to include it in our r/c range. Depending on whether we 3b/f or whether 3b/c induces more action definitely dictates some things.

Bvb it's also and ideal hand to strengthen our limp/shoving range and protects some weaker parts of our range we want to limp/fold

Any stack over 20bb (a lot of tourney regs would argue 15-16bb ) open jamming is the least profitable line with the hand when compared with r/c some and r/f to others

 

[Aleksei]

The reason saying AQ is a standard jam whenever short stacked is wrong for several reasons. Firstly short stacked is a pretty general phrase so ill break it Down to effective stacks.

Less than 10bb we should rarely be opening or flatting barring extreme circumstances.

13-20bb is we have a viable r/f range it certainly makes sense to include it in our r/c range. Depending on whether we 3b/f or whether 3b/c induces more action definitely dictates some things.

Bvb it's also and ideal hand to strengthen our limp/shoving range and protects some weaker parts of our range we want to limp/fold

Any stack over 20bb (a lot of tourney regs would argue 15-16bb ) open jamming is the least profitable line with the hand when compared with r/c some and r/f to others

k, makes sense I guess.