$Freeroll NLHE MTT: AKo in MP+2 call or fold

[mariussica88]

Should i call here? Not much info on the opponents since I was just moved to this table.


pokerstars - 125/250 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players


UTG+1: 32,423 (129.7 bb)
MP: 8,460 (33.8 bb)
MP+1: 24,735 (98.9 bb)
Hero (MP+2): 26,990 (108 bb)
CO: 32,931 (131.7 bb)
BTN: 7,935 (31.7 bb)
SB: 16,628 (66.5 bb)
BB: 25,901 (103.6 bb)
UTG: 8,575 (34.3 bb)

9 players post ante of 25, SB posts 125, BB posts 250

Pre Flop: (pot: 600) Hero has
fold, UTG+1 calls 250, 2 folds, Hero raises to 1,350, 2 folds, SB raises to 16,603 and is all-in, BB raises to 25,876 and is all-in, fold, Hero folds

 

[Mr_Nuisance]

Yes I think that this is a very reasonable fold. Considering that your hand being offsuit adds a little less equity, I think that the best you can hope for is that you are chasing a King or an Ace to make a better pair than one of their pocket pairs, and unless they are completely incompetent players there is no way that they are shoving without a pair unless it is KQs or better at that stack size. They might even only be shoving if they are paired or with AK, depending how crazy they are.

Overall, yes I believe that your fold was very okay in the situation. No need to lose your 100+ BB against two wild villains who might spike on the flop and knock you out of the tournament.

Just out of curiosity, what did they have if you remember?

 

[fundiver199]

In a regular tournament and without reads on the two all-in players, this is a fairly easy fold. However in a freeroll there is usually a ton of crazy action, and then it largely depends on, how you want to approach the game. If you are mostly playing for fun and practice, then there is no need to participate in a huge 3-way all-in this early in the game.

However if you mostly play freerolls to win money, then its very reasonable to go for a "go strong or go home" approach, so that you use your time more effectively. And then there is pretty much no reason to even consider folding AK preflop. As I started out by saying, there are going to be a ton of goofballs, who are completely able to show up here with all sorts of random crap. Its not only going to be pocket pairs or another AK. Because its a freeroll.

 

[mariussica88]

Yes I think that this is a very reasonable fold. Considering that your hand being offsuit adds a little less equity, I think that the best you can hope for is that you are chasing a King or an Ace to make a better pair than one of their pocket pairs, and unless they are completely incompetent players there is no way that they are shoving without a pair unless it is KQs or better at that stack size. They might even only be shoving if they are paired or with AK, depending how crazy they are.

Overall, yes I believe that your fold was very okay in the situation. No need to lose your 100+ BB against two wild villains who might spike on the flop and knock you out of the tournament.

Just out of curiosity, what did they have if you remember?

This is the complete hand.


PokerStars - 125/250 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG+1: 32,423 (129.7 bb)
MP: 8,460 (33.8 bb)
MP+1: 24,735 (98.9 bb)
Hero (MP+2): 26,990 (108 bb)
CO: 32,931 (131.7 bb)
BTN: 7,935 (31.7 bb)
SB: 16,628 (66.5 bb)
BB: 25,901 (103.6 bb)
UTG: 8,575 (34.3 bb)

9 players post ante of 25, SB posts 125, BB posts 250

Pre Flop: (pot: 600) Hero has
fold, UTG+1 calls 250, 2 folds, Hero raises to 1,350, 2 folds, SB raises to 16,603 and is all-in, BB raises to 25,876 and is all-in, fold, Hero folds

Flop: (35,031, 2 players)

Turn: (35,031, 2 players)

River: (35,031, 2 players)

Results: 35,031 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

SB shows : (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 52%, Flop 70%, Turn 93%)

BB shows : (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 48%, Flop 30%, Turn 7%)

BB wins 35,031

 

[Matt_Burns88]

Should i call here? Not much info on the opponents since I was just moved to this table.


PokerStars - 125/250 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players


UTG+1: 32,423 (129.7 bb)
MP: 8,460 (33.8 bb)
MP+1: 24,735 (98.9 bb)
Hero (MP+2): 26,990 (108 bb)
CO: 32,931 (131.7 bb)
BTN: 7,935 (31.7 bb)
SB: 16,628 (66.5 bb)
BB: 25,901 (103.6 bb)
UTG: 8,575 (34.3 bb)

9 players post ante of 25, SB posts 125, BB posts 250

Pre Flop: (pot: 600) Hero has
fold, UTG+1 calls 250, 2 folds, Hero raises to 1,350, 2 folds, SB raises to 16,603 and is all-in, BB raises to 25,876 and is all-in, fold, Hero folds

I'd like to know what your thought process was for folding. Note there can be sound cases made for folding and calling.

What was your reason for posting this particular hand?

 

[mariussica88]

I'd like to know what your thought process was for folding. Note there can be sound cases made for folding and calling.

What was your reason for posting this particular hand?

I wanted to know how you guys play in this situation, when you are new at the table and don't have any info on your opponents and there is a raise and a re-raise for 100BB. And it's level 4 of the tournament.

 

[Matt_Burns88]

In a regular tournament and without reads on the two all-in players, this is a fairly easy fold. However in a freeroll there is usually a ton of crazy action, and then it largely depends on, how you want to approach the game. If you are mostly playing for fun and practice, then there is no need to participate in a huge 3-way all-in this early in the game.

However if you mostly play freerolls to win money, then its very reasonable to go for a "go strong or go home" approach, so that you use your time more effectively. And then there is pretty much no reason to even consider folding AK preflop. As I started out by saying, there are going to be a ton of goofballs, who are completely able to show up here with all sorts of random crap. Its not only going to be pocket pairs or another AK. Because its a freeroll.

I wanted to know how you guys play in this situation, when you are new at the table and don't have any info on your opponents and there is a raise and a re-raise for 100BB. And it's level 4 of the tournament.

So my answer would be identical to fundiver's response, except probably less well written.


The reason I asked is because you may well have a mindset that would lead you to making one decision or the other and either is OK so long as it aligns with your goals and thought processes.