$Freeroll NLHE MTT: 68s in SB

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Should I bet the flop here? The players in this hand have a VPIP around 22-29 and passive post flop.

pokerstars - 1000/2000 Ante 200 NL - Holdem - 8 players


BB: 253,030 (126.5 bb)
UTG: 69,282 (34.6 bb)
UTG+1: 288,917 (144.5 bb)
MP: 25,041 (12.5 bb)
MP+1: 114,269 (57.1 bb)
CO: 41,397 (20.7 bb)
BTN: 110,390 (55.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 108,497 (54.2 bb)

8 players post ante of 200, Hero posts SB 1,000, BB posts 2,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 4,600) Hero has :6c4: :8c4:
fold, UTG+1 calls 2,000, MP calls 2,000, 2 folds, BTN calls 2,000, Hero calls 1,000, BB checks

Flop: (11,600, 5 players) :4s4: :6h4: :3s4:
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (11,600, 5 players) :4h4:
Hero bets 4,060, BB calls 4,060, 3 folds

River: (19,720, 2 players) :qd4:
Hero bets 6,902, BB calls 6,902

Results: 33,524 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :4s4: :6h4: :3s4: :4h4: :qd4:
 
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In my opinion you played the hand fine except for the river. You call pre, which is fine, since you have suited one gappers. You wind up only hitting a pair. Yes, its top pair and vulnerable but it is still a weak hand with 2 cards still to come. You could attempt to bet large to take it down but the board is coordinated and two spades so it will be difficult to make everyone go away there plus you are in a freeroll where people fold less. Checking the flop is definitely the best play.

The turn brings an undercard which we should be happy about but now 4x beats you as well so there are fewer things we beat. It also brings a second flush draw which means opponents will be a little stickier than normal. I dont mind the bet on the turn to see if we can take it down and to me the sizing is fine although you are not going to get flush draws to fold to you which in reality is fine as long as you dont pay them off the river. If you are going to bet it should probably be a little bigger but I think that small a bet is ok. I again think I prefer a check here though.

The river is definitely a check spot to me where then I decide to bluff catch based on what I think about the opponent. With you leading there, no missed draws will ever call, they fold or raise and your hand cant handle a raise. The other hands that should be calling there would be 77 or 88 hands if they played like this which I doubt, larger 6x hands, and flush draws that binked the Queen on the river. To me there arent many hands here that you are beating that call this river. I would advise checking and then deciding based on villain to bluff catch or fold.
 
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Your decision on how to play the hand was highly influenced by your small blind complete with 3 other people - making it a 5 way pot - because BB gets a free check to the flop.



When the board comes super draw heavy and you flop top pair, Your winning choices are jam or fold, IMO.

Your stack isnt playable. I dont think it is equitable to evaluate on a later street.

Why?

Because you dont know what you're trying to avoid and its 5 ways.
 
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I think you definetly should bet the flop here. And personally I would chose a larger size(nothing crazy, about 2/3 of the pot). And here's why:
1. You only invested 0.5bb preflop and hit top pair on flop, so you don't mind taking the pot right away.
2. Most of the time in this spot you have the highest equity now, and it will decrease on later streets, which incentivises you to increase the pot right away, and price out hands that you beat, but can outdraw you
3. This is the type of board that you can start donk-betting as you have a slight range and nut advantage here. Remember, you completed from sb, and people will expect you to hit such low connected boards.
4. You should bet bigger to charge the draws and get folds from overcards, which are plenty in your opponents' ranges.
5. Since your opponents are passive (as you mentioned) it is unlikely they will bluff raise you, so you can safely bet-fold in case of a re-raise.
 
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Should I bet the flop here? The players in this hand have a VPIP around 22-29 and passive post flop.

PokerStars - 1000/2000 Ante 200 NL - Holdem - 8 players


BB: 253,030 (126.5 bb)
UTG: 69,282 (34.6 bb)
UTG+1: 288,917 (144.5 bb)
MP: 25,041 (12.5 bb)
MP+1: 114,269 (57.1 bb)
CO: 41,397 (20.7 bb)
BTN: 110,390 (55.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 108,497 (54.2 bb)

8 players post ante of 200, Hero posts SB 1,000, BB posts 2,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 4,600) Hero has :6c4: :8c4:
fold, UTG+1 calls 2,000, MP calls 2,000, 2 folds, BTN calls 2,000, Hero calls 1,000, BB checks

Flop: (11,600, 5 players) :4s4: :6h4: :3s4:
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (11,600, 5 players) :4h4:
Hero bets 4,060, BB calls 4,060, 3 folds

River: (19,720, 2 players) :qd4:
Hero bets 6,902, BB calls 6,902

Results: 33,524 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :4s4: :6h4: :3s4: :4h4: :qd4:

Thank you for posting

Your study point from this hand is:
Preplanning a hand is necessary skill for success in poker.

Preflop we are calling to hit a hand hard as we are OOP vs players that limp with wide ranges including 22-TT

We do not hit hard and 44 33 and 75 A6s K6s Q6S and 52 in the BB can all be present not to mention combo draws and over pairs.

Stack protection in tournaments is real especially in NOFOLDEM tournaments. We do not build this pot by leading. We have no backdoors so very few outs to improve.

Knowing this is part of our preplanning.

Before we check we are already thinking about what happens next and planning our action.

Do we call a bet? What size bet do we call? What range is the bettor betting?
If we call what do we do on turn? What cards do we not want to see on turn?

Then it is checked through. Why? Would a hand better than ours fear check flop? If so would they fold turn? Would sets bet or 2 pair?

On the turn we bet why? Are we betting the 8 for value or repping the 4? You bet a size that gets all the draws to call why? We are OOP with an 86 do we not want more folds? Would a 4 bet small on this board. There is no made hand that we get value from that is not also a draw so why bet a value only size?

Off table we break these spots down and think about our preplan so that on the tables we have a strong idea of what to do. Take the time to think about your turn play here. Build ranges -estimate what calls-then ask yourself do I want to give those hands 4-1 odds on a call?

Hope this helps
:):)
 
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