$Freeroll NLHE MTT: 5Js in BB

[mariussica88]

Do you guys think that folding the flop here is ok? I had a note on the CO player that he plays very aggressive post flop no matter what kind of a board it is.


pokerstars - 4000/8000 Ante 800 NL - Holdem - 8 players


CO: 384,124 (48 bb)
BTN: 711,087 (88.9 bb)
SB: 558,173 (69.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 205,284 (25.7 bb)
UTG: 366,876 (45.9 bb)
UTG+1: 174,842 (21.9 bb)
MP: 1,076,988 (134.6 bb)
MP+1: 115,806 (14.5 bb)

8 players post ante of 800, SB posts 4,000, Hero posts BB 8,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 18,400) Hero has
fold, UTG+1 raises to 16,000, 2 folds, CO calls 16,000, fold, SB calls 12,000, Hero calls 8,000

Flop: (70,400, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 24,000, CO raises to 48,000, SB calls 48,000, Hero folds, fold

Turn: (190,400, 2 players)
SB checks, CO bets 72,000, SB calls 72,000

River: (334,400, 2 players)
SB checks, CO bets 80,000, fold

Results: 334,400 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

CO wins 334,400

 

[SharkyShark1]

Honestly that is preflop fold. J5 suited is not a great hand to play preflop against three players. Even if you hit the flush you are not close to having a nut flush.

 

[300HPGOD]

Pre flop can be debated since we are getting a great price. My problem with calling here is the same problem that you ran into which is we can hit top pair and still not think its any good. If I were to call here I would be thinking I need at least a flush draw or two pair to continue. On average that will not happen too often and even when I would get a flush draw there is some reverse implied odds in that as well. I personally just fold pre at 26 BBs and wait for something better. I get calling and I think you can borderline anyway since it is suited but definitely think J5 off would be a pitch here I already mentioned personally that I would pitch this hand as well.

On the flop as played your facing a bet, a raise and a cold caller to the raise. I dont like that from where we sit even though the initial bet on the flop was small. I dont know where we are in this hand but it would be a call of over 25% of what we have left. I think if we call this we have to be prepared to go all the way with it and I dont like being in a spot where I am committing myself against 3 other players with top pair 5 kicker. If you believe CO can make some weird plays then I actually like jamming more than just calling but I really dont like either. Flop to me is a fold and cut your losses.

 

[eetenor]

Do you guys think that folding the flop here is ok? I had a note on the CO player that he plays very aggressive post flop no matter what kind of a board it is.


PokerStars - 4000/8000 Ante 800 NL - Holdem - 8 players


CO: 384,124 (48 bb)
BTN: 711,087 (88.9 bb)
SB: 558,173 (69.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 205,284 (25.7 bb)
UTG: 366,876 (45.9 bb)
UTG+1: 174,842 (21.9 bb)
MP: 1,076,988 (134.6 bb)
MP+1: 115,806 (14.5 bb)

8 players post ante of 800, SB posts 4,000, Hero posts BB 8,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 18,400) Hero has
fold, UTG+1 raises to 16,000, 2 folds, CO calls 16,000, fold, SB calls 12,000, Hero calls 8,000

Flop: (70,400, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 24,000, CO raises to 48,000, SB calls 48,000, Hero folds, fold

Turn: (190,400, 2 players)
SB checks, CO bets 72,000, SB calls 72,000

River: (334,400, 2 players)
SB checks, CO bets 80,000, fold

Results: 334,400 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

CO wins 334,400

Thank you for posting.

Must fold on flop vs that much action.

As a study point you may want to do a data list of reasons to fold preflop even to 1bb.

Data list

1 4 way pot
2 3rd nut flush draw
3 weak kicker
4 J5 easily dominated when we make top pair
5 equity realization from BB very difficult
6 UTG1 is not deep so drawing vs UTG1 is not priced in
7 CO has a big enough stack to not fold if they catch any of the board.
8 your current skill level makes reverse implied odds -ROI for you

It is ok to fold here at this stack depth as even JJ or 55 on the flop might mean we are behind. A flopped flush is not even the nuts. I know many players cannot fold for 1bb but this is NL any time we enter the pot we put our stack on the line. Many a player has cried in their milk going broke by calling 1bb

Hope this helps

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Its sooooted, and we are only facing a min-raise, so calling is ok. Folding would also be ok, since the EV here is very close to neutral. If I am busy with other tables, I just fold, if I feel bored, maybe I call.

Flop
Even though we flopped top pair, I think, this is a fairly easy fold. Any hand with a 2 or a J has us drawing thin, since we have kicker issues, and we are against 3 opponents. So if we continue here, what are we even hoping, that they have? Like someone with a airball, someone with a flushdraw, and someone with pocket nines? Its just way to optimistic, so take the 1BB loss and live to fight another day.

 

[dallam]

Both CO and SB cover our stack, I think it's great to get rid of cheap, rather than get a headache from hands like these. Flopped top pair but already people started to making actions and built up the pot - They both could be on flush-draw as its a freeroll, but our kicker is almost the weakest, and the presence of the two deuces making me feel uncomfortable, as I could see A2, K2 in the calling station pre.