$Freeroll NLHE MTT: 10 10 in UTG

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Villain stats after 170 hands: VPIP 45 PFR 2 Limp Pre-Flop 54 Post Flop AGG 0.56


How would you guys play this hand and what range of hands you put on the MP+1?
pokerstars - 600/1200 Ante 120 NL - Holdem - 9 players


MP+2: 164,108 (136.8 bb)
CO: 34,468 (28.7 bb)
BTN: 44,805 (37.3 bb)
SB: 149,532 (124.6 bb)
BB: 24,682 (20.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): 68,566 (57.1 bb)
UTG+1: 138,620 (115.5 bb)
MP: 30,825 (25.7 bb)
MP+1: 106,315 (88.6 bb)

9 players post ante of 120, SB posts 600, BB posts 1,200

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,880) Hero has :10c4: :10d4:
Hero raises to 3,000, UTG+1 calls 3,000, fold, MP+1 calls 3,000, fold, CO calls 3,000, 3 folds

Flop: (14,880, 4 players) :ah4: :10s4: :8s4:
Hero bets 8,035, fold, MP+1 calls 8,035, fold

Turn: (30,950, 2 players) :2h4:
Hero bets 19,200, MP+1 calls 19,200

River: (69,350, 2 players) :9c4:
Hero bets 38,211 and is all-in, MP+1 calls 38,211

Results: 145,772 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :ah4: :10s4: :8s4: :2h4: :9c4:
 
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I would play this hand exactly the way, you did. Flopping middle set on a A high board multiway is a great situation, and our goal should be to stack someone with top pair or better, and also get a lot of value on the flop and turn from draws. As for ranging the opponent, after he call your turn bet, I think, he has a lot of AX, a few two pair and worse sets, and a lot of draws. There are spades, backdoor hearts, QJ dubble gutter and J9/97 OESD. I dont think, he is calling again with just a naked gutshot, so hands like 76 or J7 are not in his range, unless they are of spades exactly.

The river did complete some straightdraws, but given what I said above, I dont think he has those except for QJ, 76 of spades and maybe J7 of spades. So for me this is still a clear jam for value all day. In a freeroll I dont think, people are ever folding top pair, even if their kicker dont play, and he can have a ton more AX combos than QJ. Even just A9 is 9 combos of hands, that just made two pair, and that nobody are ever going to fold.

I kind of sense, that you probably ran into QJ, because people usually tend to share hands, where they got coolered or sucked out on. But even if that was the case, you played the hand totally fine, and losing with a set to draws, that get there, is just part of poker. If you lost to some stupid call with J7 offsuit, which nailed its gutshot, yes ok then he had more combos, that got there. But then he is really never folding any top pair either, and he likely have all of them, so its still a good jam for value :)
 
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I would play this hand exactly the way, you did. Flopping middle set on a A high board multiway is a great situation, and our goal should be to stack someone with top pair or better, and also get a lot of value on the flop and turn from draws. As for ranging the opponent, after he call your turn bet, I think, he has a lot of AX, a few two pair and worse sets, and a lot of draws. There are spades, backdoor hearts, QJ dubble gutter and J9/97 OESD. I dont think, he is calling again with just a naked gutshot, so hands like 76 or J7 are not in his range, unless they are of spades exactly.

The river did complete some straightdraws, but given what I said above, I dont think he has those except for QJ, 76 of spades and maybe J7 of spades. So for me this is still a clear jam for value all day. In a freeroll I dont think, people are ever folding top pair, even if their kicker dont play, and he can have a ton more AX combos than QJ. Even just A9 is 9 combos of hands, that just made two pair, and that nobody are ever going to fold.

I kind of sense, that you probably ran into QJ, because people usually tend to share hands, where they got coolered or sucked out on. But even if that was the case, you played the hand totally fine, and losing with a set to draws, that get there, is just part of poker. If you lost to some stupid call with J7 offsuit, which nailed its gutshot, yes ok then he had more combos, that got there. But then he is really never folding any top pair either, and he likely have all of them, so its still a good jam for value :)



Thank you so much about your feedback. The way you think about a hand is incredible for me, I really hope some day I can think about a hand played like you. You are right about everything in this hand.....The Villain had QJ. My mistake is that I sometimes I am to confident that my hand can't be beat:(
 
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Thank you so much about your feedback. The way you think about a hand is incredible for me, I really hope some day I can think about a hand played like you. You are right about everything in this hand.....The Villain had QJ. My mistake is that I sometimes I am to confident that my hand can't be beat:(

Dont be so hard on yourself. Like I already said, you played this hand totally fine and just got unlucky to get drawn out on. Which is part of game and happen to even the best players in the world. Its more a mental thing, that when you jam that river, you should know already, that sometimes you are going to be jamming into the nuts, and that this is ok. So that it does not give you that devastating feeling of failure. Best of luck with your game :)
 
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Villain stats after 170 hands: VPIP 45 PFR 2 Limp Pre-Flop 54 Post Flop AGG 0.56


How would you guys play this hand and what range of hands you put on the MP+1?
PokerStars - 600/1200 Ante 120 NL - Holdem - 9 players


MP+2: 164,108 (136.8 bb)
CO: 34,468 (28.7 bb)
BTN: 44,805 (37.3 bb)
SB: 149,532 (124.6 bb)
BB: 24,682 (20.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): 68,566 (57.1 bb)
UTG+1: 138,620 (115.5 bb)
MP: 30,825 (25.7 bb)
MP+1: 106,315 (88.6 bb)

9 players post ante of 120, SB posts 600, BB posts 1,200

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,880) Hero has :10c4: :10d4:
Hero raises to 3,000, UTG+1 calls 3,000, fold, MP+1 calls 3,000, fold, CO calls 3,000, 3 folds

Flop: (14,880, 4 players) :ah4: :10s4: :8s4:
Hero bets 8,035, fold, MP+1 calls 8,035, fold

Turn: (30,950, 2 players) :2h4:
Hero bets 19,200, MP+1 calls 19,200

River: (69,350, 2 players) :9c4:
Hero bets 38,211 and is all-in, MP+1 calls 38,211

Results: 145,772 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :ah4: :10s4: :8s4: :2h4: :9c4:

Thank you for posting.

Ranging this V type requires us to keep the range wide at all times.

We also want to be thinking about all our V ranges when we hit a flop this hard.

As to how to play: your flop bet sizing helps all your V play well. Either they have a high equity hand or they fold or they are poor players.

If you chose this sizing partly for protection it may have been the perfect size.

However if we know our V are mostly folding this flop but we expect to get a call then why not go larger on this board- charge the high equity hands more by betting 80% pot.

One player calls the weakest in the field great perfect.
A good study exercise here is to build a range for this V and decide how to extract max value on the turn.

An interesting poker concept is the inelastic vs elastic style of some players. Some players will change their range based on bet sizing and some will not.

Example
If this V is calling all hands-made and draws on the turn why are we not shoving? We want to use SPR on our turn decisions.

If this player will call all draws on turn but would fold missed rivers why not shove turn?

I hope the V did not have QJ :rolleyes:

Hope this helps
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If you think the opponent is not folding an Ace, then stacking him should be the goal. Also the board is very wet, so larger bet sizes do make sense.
 
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I would play this hand exactly the way, you did. Flopping middle set on a A high board multiway is a great situation, and our goal should be to stack someone with top pair or better, and also get a lot of value on the flop and turn from draws. As for ranging the opponent, after he call your turn bet, I think, he has a lot of AX, a few two pair and worse sets, and a lot of draws. There are spades, backdoor hearts, QJ dubble gutter and J9/97 OESD. I dont think, he is calling again with just a naked gutshot, so hands like 76 or J7 are not in his range, unless they are of spades exactly.

The river did complete some straightdraws, but given what I said above, I dont think he has those except for QJ, 76 of spades and maybe J7 of spades. So for me this is still a clear jam for value all day. In a freeroll I dont think, people are ever folding top pair, even if their kicker dont play, and he can have a ton more AX combos than QJ. Even just A9 is 9 combos of hands, that just made two pair, and that nobody are ever going to fold.

I kind of sense, that you probably ran into QJ, because people usually tend to share hands, where they got coolered or sucked out on. But even if that was the case, you played the hand totally fine, and losing with a set to draws, that get there, is just part of poker. If you lost to some stupid call with J7 offsuit, which nailed its gutshot, yes ok then he had more combos, that got there. But then he is really never folding any top pair either, and he likely have all of them, so its still a good jam for value :)
what he said !!!

Well explained fundiver, mabey a little too much
but then again it is NL
 
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