Freeroll

[Gormond]

I tried to convert this hand, it didn't work. I took some ribbing for the 5k call. Please leave all feedback, either good or bad. I thought I was in the right here. Thanks.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3258583251: $100 Freeroll (24833494), Table 191 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:47:23 ET - 2007/08/15
Seat 1: pocketk30 (46,960)
Seat 2: stevenk21 (24,365)
Seat 3: gormond (21,340)
Seat 4: dpoly88 (22,174)
Seat 5: thatmike (4,532), is sitting out
Seat 7: amalgamate (23,622)
Seat 8: zeeman120973 (40,564)
Seat 9: liveyourlife (132,089)
pocketk30 antes 200
stevenk21 antes 200
gormond antes 200
dpoly88 antes 200
thatmike antes 200
amalgamate antes 200
zeeman120973 antes 200
liveyourlife antes 200
stevenk21 posts the small blind of 800
gormond posts the big blind of 1,600
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gormond [As 5s]
dpoly88 has 15 seconds left to act
dpoly88 raises to 5,000
thatmike folds
amalgamate folds
zeeman120973 folds
liveyourlife folds
pocketk30 folds
stevenk21 folds
gormond calls 3,400
*** FLOP *** [Ah 6s 2s]
gormond checks
dpoly88 checks
*** TURN *** [Ah 6s 2s] [Ac]
gormond bets 12,400
dpoly88: lol
dpoly88 has 15 seconds left to act
dpoly88: gg
dpoly88 raises to 16,974, and is all in
gormond calls 3,740, and is all in
dpoly88 shows [Ks Kc]
gormond shows [As 5s]
Uncalled bet of 834 returned to dpoly88
*** RIVER *** [Ah 6s 2s Ac] [9s]
dpoly88 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
gormond shows a flush, Ace high
gormond wins the pot (44,680) with a flush, Ace high
dpoly88: so sick
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 44,680 | Rake 0
Board: [Ah 6s 2s Ac 9s]
Seat 1: pocketk30 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: stevenk21 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: gormond (big blind) showed [As 5s] and won (44,680) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: dpoly88 showed [Ks Kc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 5: thatmike folded before the Flop
Seat 7: amalgamate folded before the Flop
Seat 8: zeeman120973 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: liveyourlife folded before the Flop

 

[robwhufc]

I took some ribbing for the 5k call.

So? It's up to you how you play your hand, not anyone else. Strange thing is, the higher the limits you play, the less "experts" there are commenting on each and every hand.

The antes change the dynamic of the hand somewhat, there is a 4K pot before opponent bets, he's bet 5K, you've got to call with 3,400 so you're getting almost 3/1 odds. Problem is if you do hit with A5, you could be outkicked.

His raise UTG is either a big hand, or a bluff representing a big hand. In a freeroll 1st is more likely, so i'd have probably folded personally. It's up to him if he calls 12K bet holding a pair of kings with 2 aces on the board though, it's hardly a "sick" hand.

 

[lilybo]

was risky 2 call the raise but u already invested so... either way u had him with your aces he shoulda known u had...atleast u left him a few chips lol vnh

 

[Tammy]

He doesn't even raise 3x the BB, and like Rob says, the antes have already beefed up the pot. You have the proper odds to call here, IMO, nearly 3:1. You can make the call here and fold to a big bet/raise, which didn't happen.

With the weak pf raise, and the check on the flop, I think it's safe to assume your Aces are good here.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

He doesn't even raise 3x the BB

You might want to check this, dear.

Meh, the call is pretty bad simply because so many stronger Ax hands are in villain's range. You're not going to be comfortable playing post-flop unless you flop two pair+ (especially with being out of position), and you're not nearly getting odds to call and hope for that.

Seriously, I'd probably rather defend my blind with 75s than A5s here (not that I especially recommend doing either in most cases!).

 

[joeeagles]

Yep, that's a pretty bad call from the BB. I really disagree that the antes change something, calling raises is always a risky business when its close to 25% of your stack, regardless of odds, and doing it with A5s is terrible when you consider stronger aces are certainly in his range and they leave you drawing to 3 outs. Don't even mention flopping a flush, odds for that are 118/1. Its much easier to flop 4 to a flush, which, if you decide to chase it, the price will be your whole stack given the size of the pot.

The odds you're getting PF should not have any relevance at all to call here, if that were the case then once the antes kick-in we pretty much can make a case to call every time from the BB. This is something people incorrectly get caught up alot with, forgetting you have a marginal, easily dominated hand and will act OOP. As it is you have only 12.5 BB's left so you really can't afford getting involved in marginal situations such as A5s. All you're doing is turning it into a crapshoot where you're hoping to get lucky and outdraw your opponent with incorrect odds to do so. Hence the understandable frustration showed by your opponent (who could have folded anyway with 2 aces on the board rather than putting his whole stack in there).

Postflop play was fine, when the 2nd ace hit on the turn it made it probable he didn't have one and you also had a draw to the nut flush, for a total of 12 outs if you were behind in case he had a stronger A.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

^ What he said.

In essence, the antes mean you should be raising (and reraising if stacks allow) more liberally, not necessarily that you should be calling standard raises more liberally.

 

[intlplaya]

U have to call

You are holding aces and flush possibilities, if u did not have the flush
possibilities it is a tougher call. But with the Flush you have more outs.