Was Fish outplayed?



Rock Star
I say no.

I say he misplayed his hand.

pokerstars Game #4320191976: Tournament #21417643, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/03/17 - 17:02:45 (ET)
Table '21417643 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Qhr1s (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: FPau (1540 in chips)
Seat 3: ChipFish (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: robwhufc (1560 in chips)
Seat 6: JesusLederer (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: LdAssassin (1460 in chips)
Seat 9: mario999 (1500 in chips)
LdAssassin: posts small blind 10
mario999: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChipFish [9h Qs]
Qhr1s: folds
FPau: folds
ChipFish: raises 60 to 80
robwhufc said, "why was he banned when he made no spam post?"
robwhufc: folds
JesusLederer: folds
LdAssassin: calls 70
mario999: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jh Qd]
LdAssassin: checks
ChipFish: checks
*** TURN *** [Qh Jh Qd] <font color='red'>2<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
LdAssassin: bets 80
Qhr1s said, "sigh"
ChipFish: raises 80 to 160
LdAssassin: calls 80
*** RIVER *** [Qh Jh Qd 2d] [2club] Edited because for whatever reason it displayed a 3club instead of 2club.
LdAssassin: checks
Qhr1s said, "he made an alt account because he "lost the pass" to his old one"
Qhr1s said, "and tried to spam to 15 with it"
ChipFish: bets 360
LdAssassin: calls 360
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ChipFish: shows [9h Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Deuces)
ChipFish said, "That one was for you FPau"
LdAssassin: shows [Jc Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Queens)
Qhr1s said, "hence, ban"
ChipFish collected 1220 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1220 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Jh Qd 2d 2c]
Seat 1: Qhr1s folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FPau folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ChipFish showed [9h Qs] and won (1220) with a full house, Queens full of Deuces
Seat 4: robwhufc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: JesusLederer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LdAssassin (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Queens
Seat 9: mario999 (big blind) folded before Flop


you have lost me on the problem here, how can you be outplayed if you were in controll the whole hand and you won the hand, and you took alot of chips, i dunno maybe im no good at this game, but i just dont get this post


well before the river, the guy was slow-playing his hand w/ fish
i dunno he let you draw out much longer than he should have
that is an action flop if i've ever seen one and with his hand i would've bet right out, and big


[without any reads..]

I don't think you can check the flop. You have to bet because if you don't have the better hand, he will let you know most likely on the turn. If you do, you can't let him chase a straight or flush.

Him betting out the turn so low would've raised some suspicion. He's begging for a call. I probably would have raised him more on the turn, but I think you played it right.

I like everything but the flop :D


Rock Star
My favourite part of this hand is NOT in the Hand History:

The part where he calls me a "douchebag" after winning the hand.
I asked him why.
He says because he "outplayed" me.

I don't think so :rolleyes:


funny - hes the douchebag for letting you draw out and then getting mad at you
what a donkey


*** FLOP *** [Qh Jh Qd]
LdAssassin: checks
ChipFish: checks

that would scare me. the only thing that wouldnt check here would be something continuation betting that had missed. as you can see you both had strong hands and checked.

what i would call that pf raise with:

almost any pp, because AK vs 22 has such high implied value. wouldn't all in, but woudl definetly call the raise. with 22 i would bet out that flop, too.

ak (would probably continuation bet)
aq (strong hand on the flop)
kj (probably wouldn't call preflop though..)

unless he called with 45s (or something similar) hoping to flop 2pr or a straight or flush..
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

DOUCHEBAGGERY for your viewing pleasure!

LdAssassin said, "nice one douche bag!"
Qhr1s said, "wtf rigged"
FPau said, "LEE JONES WRU!"
Qhr1s said, "fp, you know lee too?"
Qhr1s said, "sweet"
robwhufc said, "douchebag? that's not very nice is it?"
FPau said, "ya"
ChipFish said, "LDassasin,... what;s with the "douchebage"?"
LdAssassin said, "i only tell people the truth"
ChipFish said, "Act like you've played before"
LdAssassin said, "i did"
LdAssassin said, "i outplayed u"
LdAssassin said, "u just got lucky"
robwhufc said, "lol"
LdAssassin said, "i had JJ"
LdAssassin said, "i flopped boat"
robwhufc said, "and lost?"
ChipFish said, "you outplayed me?"
LdAssassin said, "ya"
ChipFish said, "ok"

My fav moment of that tourney was that mario moron crap-talking to me ("every time I play with you I own you" - I think I've played with him once before and I'm quite certain he didn't "own" me etc etc), then this.

POKERSTARS GAME #4320346880: TOURNAMENT #21417643, HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL II (15/30) - 2006/03/17 - 17:18:45 (ET)
Table '21417643 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Qhr1s (1445 in chips)
Seat 2: FPau (350 in chips)
Seat 4: robwhufc (1760 in chips)
Seat 6: JesusLederer (1480 in chips)
Seat 7: LdAssassin (940 in chips)
Seat 8: mymoney23 (2085 in chips)
Seat 9: mario999 (1910 in chips)
mymoney23: posts small blind 15
mario999: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Qhr1s [Qc As]
Qhr1s: raises 60 to 90
FPau: folds
robwhufc: folds
JesusLederer: folds
LdAssassin: folds
mymoney23: folds
mario999: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [4h 7c Ad]
robwhufc said, "you got nothing better to do?"
mario999: checks
Qhr1s: bets 120
mario999: calls 120
*** TURN *** [4h 7c Ad] [2c]
mario999: checks
Qhr1s: bets 300
mario999: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [4h 7c Ad 2c] [Qd]
mario999: checks
Qhr1s: bets 900
mario999: calls 900
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Qhr1s: shows [Qc As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
mario999: mucks hand
Qhr1s collected 2835 from pot
Qhr1s said, "tyty"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2835 | Rake 0
Board [4h 7c Ad 2c Qd]
Seat 1: Qhr1s showed [Qc As] and won (2835) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: FPau folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: robwhufc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: JesusLederer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LdAssassin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mymoney23 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: mario999 (big blind) mucked [Ah 9h]

He stayed around to watch me bust, then proceeded to say he would "add me to his list of players to hunt". I was flattered, but unfortunately I don't swing that way. :(

On another more serious note, I'll put this on hold until after the next Stars event and see what happens there, but if more douchebags who we've never heard of sign up (again there was talk at the table between obvious members of another forum, a couple of whom I'd never heard of, plus mario got the password despite his alt account being banned for spamming and him not logging onto his main account for weeks), I'll hit Nick about making a change to the password system. I don't really give a toss about the freerolls because they're freerolls and Titan pays for them on the premise that we get as many new people into their site as possible, but the atmos at our buyins shouldn't be like it was on Friday (though I enjoy some smack-talk, I can appreciate the fact that others don't).
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Fish definitely wasn't outplayed - letting someone draw out on you pecause you slow-played them isn't good play. Your play wasn't strong either, because you didn't try to find out where you were with a strong hand, though.
However, when you re-raised him on the turn, he should clearly have re-raised as unless you had quads he had the best of it. He should probably also have raised pre-flop, and should definitely have raised post-flop. He suffered from Fancy-Play Syndrome, and lost a hand that he could have taken on the flop or turn, which is definitely not outplaying anyone - outplaying someone is getting them to fold the best hand, not losing a pot when you had a clearly better one that you didn't take control with and allowed a draw.