final table hand.. analyze



1 dollar MTT on stars, 1300 runners to start.

pokerstars Game #6849693452: Tournament #34619089, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (8000/16000) - 2006/11/01 - 02:38:51 (ET)
Table '34619089 167' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: mj23lbj111 (520299 in chips)
Seat 3: zhuxd (29348 in chips)
Seat 4: CUBBY541 (276862 in chips)
Seat 5: Uwilln0 (518964 in chips)
Seat 6: frenzykid (249618 in chips)
Seat 7: Taborcarn (164105 in chips)
Seat 8: johnnyam (171360 in chips)
Seat 9: terppoker21 (121444 in chips)
mj23lbj111: posts the ante 800
zhuxd: posts the ante 800
CUBBY541: posts the ante 800
Uwilln0: posts the ante 800
frenzykid: posts the ante 800
Taborcarn: posts the ante 800
johnnyam: posts the ante 800
terppoker21: posts the ante 800
terppoker21: posts small blind 8000
mj23lbj111: posts big blind 16000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mj23lbj111 [8d 8c]
zhuxd: folds
CUBBY541: folds
Uwilln0: folds
frenzykid: calls 16000
Taborcarn: calls 16000
johnnyam: folds
terppoker21: folds

reads: frenzykid has been very aggressive and maybe slightly tilting... and with as aggro as he's been, i don't view his open limp as a big hand, but i haven't seen him open limp at all yet. taborcarn seems painfully average, i'm not worried about his limp at all.

whats your move?
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

How likely do you think it will be that they fold if you raise ~4BBs? There's a case for checking and playing almost for set value here as you really don't want to play a raised pot OOP with 88.

If villains limp-fold a lot preflop, obviously raise and expect to take it down there and then.


Suckout Queen
4x BB raise here. Take the money and run until you catch better hand.


The problems start with hands like this when you get a caller. The likely-hood if hiiting a set is low, your out of position on the flop, and have to fire out a contintation bet regardless. Making this a potentially dangerious and expensive hand. Having said that, raise 4xbb and procede with caution on the flop.


Rock Star
I agree - a 4x raise is asking both players to commit 25% and 40% of their stacks respectively. If you steal, great-- mission accomplished. If not, and the flop doesn't hit then be prepared to duck.


I pushed, for the reasons that Dorkus stated above. I didn't wanna play a big pot OOP with 8/8, but on the same token, I didnt wanna lay down the best hand or have to check-fold to overs on the flop. I also thought my fold equity was huge here. What are your thoughts DM?
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