Felt committed after PF raise...was I? KQs

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Aleeki

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Should I have folded to the re raise? I often get situations like this where I have raised PF and get 3 bet. I think I should have folded here and looked to re build stack with another hand...?

Villian 27/9/1.0

pokerstars (Tournament): $6 + $0.50, 7 players
Mon Feb 25 02:59:02 NZDT 2008
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Aleeki ($2,270)
jjj993 ($5,050)
ulas29 ($965)
Paria05 ($3,333)
iseezebras ($2,920)
Eickola ($4,920)
DrmCatcher18 ($1,955)

iseezebras is the button.

Precards:
Eickola posts the small blind $100, DrmCatcher18 posts the big blind $200.

Preflop: Aleeki is dealt Q K (7 active)
Aleeki raises to $800, 2 folds, Paria05 raises to $3,333 (all-in), 3 folds, Aleeki calls $1,470 (all-in).

Flop: 7 2 Q ($5,903, 2 players)

Turn: 7 2 Q J ($5,903, 2 players)

River: 7 2 Q J 7 ($5,903, 2 players)

Final Pot: $4,840
Aleeki, net: -$2,270, Lost at showdown, has Q K (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
Paria05, net: $2,570, Won at showdown, has K K (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
DrmCatcher18, net: -$200, Folded Preflop
Eickola, net: -$100, Folded Preflop
 
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Your commited after throwing the pre-flop bet, your at about 10 BB later in a tourny you had to make the move at some stage, i think your just unlucky that you ran into the over pair as most times your taking down the blinds with that bet.
 
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You have one of those awkward ~11bb stacks here - it's difficult to know what to do with a strong but vulnerable hand.

I think you probably took the worst option here - you're right, you are relatively committed when shoved into. A 3bb raise doesn't quite commit you but will acheive exactly the same as a 4bb raise otherwise, or alternatively I couldn't blame you for just openshoving preflop here.
 
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I don't think this is a raising hand UTG with 7 players still at the table. I would either limp and more likely fold.
 
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There are times when I don't believe in being pot committed and this is one of those times.
Sure you raised preflop, but raising with a strong but vulnerable hand should just be to gather info on the strength of your hand and fold to most aggression unless you have a good read on villian which tells you this is a good call.
I personally would not call this unless I had seen villian playing quite laggy.
 
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After his shove you were getting about 2.5:1. So now you have to put him on a hand. If he has AK or AQ here you're a 2.7:1 underdog. If he has AA or KK you're worse than a 4:1 dog. If he has JJ or lower you would call. so it's kinda a borderline situation but you could have gotten away from it even though it would be hard to put in 1/3 of your stack then fold. Also you should have raised to 600 preflop IMO then you'd have an even easier time folding.
 
Melkor

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Whilst a 4BB raise is a perfectly decent play in a lot of situations I think that with your stack it does get you a little too commited at this point. The power of being UTG is that automatically your raise will be seen as a little stronger so a 3BB raise would be a very strong play anyway.

I think that even so you are still left with a stack of 1470 if you fold and the pot is 2570 so the odds are 1.75:1. As has been highlighted the hands this guy is shoving with make this a fold imo as you are too big an underdog to his range to make the pot odds worth it. Change the raise pre-flop and the odds only go down to 1.5:1 so the situation isn't massively different after pre-flop anyway.
 
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