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TheseNutsWin

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pokerstars Game #17123796273: Tournament #86190493, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/05/01 - 11:30:08 (ET)
Table '86190493 955' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Corey Vair (129568 in chips)
Seat 2: bellajohn (22060 in chips)
Seat 3: gskowal (19821 in chips)
Seat 4: tctopdog (2895 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: MAYALITO (14765 in chips)
Seat 6: kyko96 (27235 in chips)
Seat 7: mistergrim10 (5940 in chips)
Seat 8: gurke87 (21930 in chips)
Seat 9: highpoint108 (28465 in chips)
Corey Vair: posts the ante 50
bellajohn: posts the ante 50
gskowal: posts the ante 50
tctopdog: posts the ante 50
MAYALITO: posts the ante 50
kyko96: posts the ante 50
mistergrim10: posts the ante 50
gurke87: posts the ante 50
highpoint108: posts the ante 50
mistergrim10: posts small blind 200
gurke87: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gskowal [Qd Ks]
gurke87 said, "idiots"
highpoint108: calls 400
Corey Vair: calls 400
bellajohn: folds
bellajohn is sitting out
gskowal: calls 400
tctopdog: folds
kyko96 said, "connard"
bellajohn has returned
MAYALITO: folds
kyko96: folds
mistergrim10: calls 200
bellajohn is sitting out
bellajohn has returned
gurke87: raises 2800 to 3200
highpoint108: folds
Corey Vair: folds
gskowal: calls 2800
mistergrim10: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c Jh Qc]
gurke87: bets 4000
gskowal: raises 12571 to 16571 and is all-in
gurke87: calls 12571
gurke87 said, "tztztztztz"
*** TURN *** [5c Jh Qc] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [5c Jh Qc Kh] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gurke87: shows [Ac Td] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
gskowal: shows [Qd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
gurke87 collected 41192 from pot
gurke87 said, "idiot"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 41192 | Rake 0
Board [5c Jh Qc Kh 7c]
Seat 1: Corey Vair folded before Flop
Seat 2: bellajohn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: gskowal showed [Qd Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 4: tctopdog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MAYALITO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kyko96 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mistergrim10 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: gurke87 (big blind) showed [Ac Td] and won (41192) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 9: highpoint108 folded before Flop


The Guy called me an idiot lol... was i ? or was he?
 
Jillychemung

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Hmmmmm opponent doesn't have the odds to call this as he's drawing to 6 outs (ignoring back door flush) but he has committed almost 1/3 of his stack so he may feel pot committed. The preflop limp/call was loose so hopefully you had a read. His flop bet was weak so I can see how you didn't put him on AQ/AA/KK/QQ so your shove was a good play at that point.
 
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I'm not a fan of the weak pre-flop line either - but if it's based on a read on the player then all well and good I guess.

On the flop, it was villain who made a bad call.
 
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To expand on why we say (assuming Oz has the same reasoning as I) the limp/call line is bad is that if you are prepared to call a raise on the flop with your hand you are much better off to do the raise yourself. The passive line of limp/call really narrows your range for your opponents.
 
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I wouldn't take the "idiot" thing presonally from the hand first of all, because before the flop the same "idiot caller" was calling someone else idiots. (I have a friend who acts the same way when he loses any hand)
His call on the flop was certainly loose and a bit ridiculous imo, but then again, it's a freeroll. I play them sometimes, as wel all do/have and play can be SO terrible, especially in ones that max out at 10k players plus and fill up. because of this I recommend avoiding kq off in a micro or freeroll, especially when there are so many limpers; but then you raised preflop. even if you'd put all your chips in first after the flop these 4 out lovers won't fold for a tornado coming at their livelyhood. (can you tell I've had this happen to me alot also?)

I am puzzled at this sort of play at that blind level, and you both had similar chip stacks. The guy must have been quite lucky...well, still was...yet still had the double up or lose attitude. (hey, it's only a freeroll right? who cares about the others that expect or want some decent play...)
The only freerolls I bother playing now are cardschat freerolls, play is certainly much better.
 
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