CALL OR FOLD

[Ant1Ant1]

So we are deep in the casino.org freeroll 8maxNL tourney, I have a15BB stack the hand goes like this:
I have 5,3o on the BB,
HJ min raises 2BB,(he is the table chip leader with around 30BB),
CO calls, BTN calls,(stack around 10BBs)
SB is all in with 1BB(he was the shortstack)
I call on the BB
Flop comes 2,K,4(rainbow),
It checks round to the BTN who min raises 1BB,
I call, HJ shoves all in!CO folds, BTN calls.
So people can you tell me if this is a call or fold?
I tanked on it and I called,
Turn came 5, river came A the whole board came 2,K,4,5,A
making my straight.
After people started throwing the fish emoji at me and the dog shit but I thought I played this hand correctly. I also cashed in that tournament finishing in the top 30. It felt like the right play, I knew I could bust out......but the fish emoji?!?! Help please?

 

[Andyreas]

It would be very helpful if you pasted the hand history in the converter and published the structured hand, so it's easier to analyse.

Preflop:
53o isn't exactly a great hand to defend the BB but with such a big multiway pot, I can see why you called.

Theoretically 15BBs is in the push/fold range and 53o is definitely not a hand to push, so in most cases this is a fold for me, even in the BB.

Flop:
You have an open ended straight draw which has 8 outs. So you need 2-1 pot odds to call. I think you're getting them with two shoves before you. So mathematically this is a call, if my math is right.

People probably only looked at your hand and not the strory behind it but I also have to admit you've been very lucky with this flop. Usually with 53o you have to get a straight or trips at least to be able to win the hands which doesn't happen often, so usually you have to fold it postflop. That's why most people also fold it preflop.

And don't take the chat seriously. I try to not look at it at all.
And congrats on your cashing!

 

[June4Spades]

Well that is not a good hand to start with. I guess that is why people have dissed you in the chat. Don't take it too serious, most of the reactions stem from frustration. They thought you were lucky. In fact, I think that, too ;-)

 

[Kenzie 96]

If you are thinking about emojis after a hand probably ought to go do something you find less boring for a time. Congrats on the cash.

 

[CDNMAN 42]

I can feel your opponents frustration as like most seasoned players they would expect you would be calling (even in BB) with something. The call and play in your position in my opinion was not justified and yes you were extremely lucky and there was absolutely no skill involved...

 

[Gura]

With this stack, you had to fold preflop, but if you already entered a good pot, it's a good flop to risk with a double-sided one..

 

[Cooking]

I would had fold this hand pre flop even being on BB with min raise.

 

[daniel888]

I think I would fold this hand. However you don't need to care about other people's reactions even if it's a wrong play. Just mark that hand and analyze it after finishing the tournament.

 

[pirateglenn]

Certainly not a starting hand to weigh in with and i agree with previous comments that this outcome was the RNG of the gods. 15 BB still gives you some leverage even considering the deep state of the tourney and a better hand that 5 3 even on BB is worth waiting for, i think sometimes it can be too easy for players (and ive been guilty of it) to defend our BB regardless but cost wise, its certainly not worth it.

 

[nelomec]

I think your play was very risky, but since it's a small tournament, you were lucky, for various reasons, you were out of position, you had half the chips of the cheap leader, who was playing in position, on the flop you didn't hit anything. It was risky, but having a straight nuts on the flop, I would also bet to complete my straight.

 

[yuriko oyama]

for me a fair play, you had a reasonable equity, what surprises me is that you beat CL.
but I would have played the same way, and I wouldn't have worried about what others thought.
the game is yours and you must play it your best, regardless of the opinion of others.
It's just my opinion.

 

[jonaselloco]

Congratulations on the collection friend, that's what matters, the rest is quackery.
Teasing or insults in the chat are bad losers, get used to ignoring it.
It continues to be successful.
Cheers

 

[Marshmalo1994]

I would had called preflop too, but, if I followed the hand correctly, you had to call a 13BB all in, with a 23BB pot. I would say that's a fold to me, and wait for a good hand to push.

Anyway, I wouldn't had throw emojis to you, lol, nh.

 

[fundiver199]

Calling an all-in is a simple math based decision, which is why, it would have been helpfull to have the exact hand history. But even without it I can still do some estimations. With 4 people putting in chips preflop, plus the short stacked SB, pot must have been around 10BB going to the flop. At this point you had 13BB left, and assuming, that both HJ and BTN had you covered, the total size of the pot, you could compete for, was 10 + 3 x 13BB = 49BB. You already put in 1BB more, so to contend for this pot you had to put in another 12BB. This mean, you needed 12/49 = 25% equity in pure chip EV.

We can basically ignore SB, because he is so short. So the question is, do you have 25% against the combined ranges of HJ and BTN? And I think, the answer is yes. Here its important, that all your 8 outs are to the nuts. There is no risk of spiking a straight on a card, which make someone else a better straight, a flush or a boat. And for that reason you should have more than 25% equity against their combined ranges, and this looks like a good call to me.

 

[MAGICUZ]

Never listen to anyone, I would play this hand the same way.In theory, this hand should be folded, but in practice you did everything right.As they say winners are not judged

 

[eetenor]

So we are deep in the casino.org freeroll 8maxNL tourney, I have a15BB stack the hand goes like this:
I have 5,3o on the BB,
HJ min raises 2BB,(he is the table chip leader with around 30BB),
CO calls, BTN calls,(stack around 10BBs)
SB is all in with 1BB(he was the shortstack)
I call on the BB
Flop comes 2,K,4(rainbow),
It checks round to the BTN who min raises 1BB,
I call, HJ shoves all in!CO folds, BTN calls.
So people can you tell me if this is a call or fold?
I tanked on it and I called,
Turn came 5, river came A the whole board came 2,K,4,5,A
making my straight.
After people started throwing the fish emoji at me and the dog shit but I thought I played this hand correctly. I also cashed in that tournament finishing in the top 30. It felt like the right play, I knew I could bust out......but the fish emoji?!?! Help please?

Ignore the emojis you had only 15 bbs not 50- and you called all in when you had a draw to the nuts- not preflop- you made a poker decision not a no thought reaction

 

[hilary antonik filho]

Congrats on your luck, courage and the money you've won, I would have folded preflop.

 

[makisaa]

For a straight draw calling an all in, I think it is not the best move, even if you completed your straight. You decided it and you got it. It was a risky call!

 

[Four Dogs]

The 1BB Call was fine even with 53o. No idea about the AI call. Need some stack sizes. Also, there's a good chance that with that many people in the pot some of your Ace outs are gone.

 

[Misanthrop]

I think its reasonable to pay 1 BB, without doing the math. With so many limpos preflop and sitting in the BB the pot odds are just too good - that's why I'd say mathematically I think it's correct even pre-flop...

 

[StealTheButton]

Fold pre. You do not have the implied odds to play this hands. I'm having a hard time following the hand, but calling pre you are putting 15% of your stack in. The vast majority of the time you are folding on the flop. If not you are paying to chase, or when you actually hit your hand you do not make back enough chips to account for all the times you never made your hand.

Then what happens when you pair a card; do you call? Nobody is excited about calling with a 3, especially shortstacked. What if you hit two pair and get it all in? With such low cards it will be beat a lot of the time come the river. You can make an argument about pot odds, but you need to be DEEP to play this hand (and it's not even 45 or 34- it's a gapper. Do yourself a favor and get out preflop.

It would be very helpful if you pasted the hand history in the converter and published the structured hand, so it's easier to analyse.

Preflop:
53o isn't exactly a great hand to defend the BB but with such a big multiway pot, I can see why you called.

Theoretically 15BBs is in the push/fold range and 53o is definitely not a hand to push, so in most cases this is a fold for me, even in the BB.

Flop:
You have an open ended straight draw which has 8 outs. So you need 2-1 pot odds to call. I think you're getting them with two shoves before you. So mathematically this is a call, if my math is right.

People probably only looked at your hand and not the strory behind it but I also have to admit you've been very lucky with this flop. Usually with 53o you have to get a straight or trips at least to be able to win the hands which doesn't happen often, so usually you have to fold it postflop. That's why most people also fold it preflop.

And don't take the chat seriously. I try to not look at it at all.
And congrats on your cashing!

I believe it's just a little worse than 2 to 1 odds. But this it the point of break even, and you want better than break even odds. And those odds are assuming you are seeing both cards to come.

 

[rock0001]

i would have probably fold since you only have 30% of chances to win the hand so i dont think thats a good spot to risk your entire stack.

 

[Recreationalplayer]

Calling is always a tricky situation in tournament. Going allin as a bluff has some fold equity, so its slightly better than calling.

I would have called anyway. 8 outs is good enough and also the outs seem clean.

 

[Baldy86]

"dog shit " LOL

anyway . it is not that bad to go all in there but i would prefer not to . because the odds are not on your side . even ace high beats you there . against a pair you are way behind . and majority of the time you will NOT hit your straight . in a freeroll thats ok though but i would not make it to a habit to play like that in buy in tournaments and especially not cash games

i would have rather waited for better hands and pushed all in preflop with your 15 bb . or at least limp with a strong hand and when you hit going all in on the flop or turn

 

[Matt_Burns88]

Oh no! Not the fish emoji!! Seriously, though...you should not care what others at the table think of your play. I have turned throwables off on Stars because people just spend their whole time lobbing them around and it does my head in!

Personally this is not a play I would make very often, but it is probably correct with the amount of callers and the immediate odds and implied odds. It's important that you are the BB and therefore completing the action. I would absolutely be folding if there was anyone to act after me. When you flop the open ender, there's only one way it's going from that point and you hit the jackpot. Let them throw their fishes while you stack your chips...