Bad Shove?

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sta123

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full tilt poker Game #6153427983: Daily Double - B (46157052), Table 64 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:54:09 ET - 2008/04/23
Seat 1: stapoker123 (7,400)
Seat 2: evw1 (8,430)
Seat 3: kansur (6,730)
Seat 4: FuPaTrooPa (3,180)
Seat 5: mouse36 (8,975)
Seat 6: JebusTHEFIERCE (5,720)
Seat 7: mrtbow (6,335)
Seat 8: Im young money (12,010)
Seat 9: jbwolverines (3,745)
stapoker123 antes 25
evw1 antes 25
kansur antes 25
FuPaTrooPa antes 25
mouse36 antes 25
JebusTHEFIERCE antes 25
mrtbow antes 25
Im young money antes 25
jbwolverines antes 25
jbwolverines posts the small blind of 120
stapoker123 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stapoker123 [Jd Qd]
evw1 folds
kansur has 15 seconds left to act
kansur calls 240
FuPaTrooPa folds
mouse36 folds
JebusTHEFIERCE calls 240
mrtbow calls 240
Im young money calls 240
jbwolverines calls 120
stapoker123 checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Qs 6d]
jbwolverines checks
stapoker123 has 15 seconds left to act
stapoker123 bets 960
kansur has 15 seconds left to act
kansur folds
JebusTHEFIERCE folds
mrtbow folds
Im young money has 15 seconds left to act
Im young money raises to 2,750
jbwolverines folds
stapoker123 has 15 seconds left to act
stapoker123 has requested TIME
stapoker123 calls 1,790
*** TURN *** [5h Qs 6d] [3d]
stapoker123 bets 4,385, and is all in
Im young money calls 4,385
stapoker123 shows [Jd Qd]
Im young money shows
*** RIVER *** [5h Qs 6d 3d] [3h]

I figured he would of raised KQ or AQ preflop, so I put him either on Q10 or a set. Bad play?
 
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Well, you didn't shove, you called an all in. It's a reasonable call, you have the chips to call, you have top pair, good kicker and you already have a third of what his all in is in the pot at that point.
 
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I would not limp in preflop with QJs in a multi way pot. This is just asking for trouble. I like raise or fold PF. As played it is ok, you got your top pair on the flop which is exactly what you want with QJ, and on the turn you had a flush draw, so I don't see how you can fold there.

Usually a average-smart player isn't going to throw in a huge raise with Q10 on a queen high flop which would make me suspect he got a 2-pair or even trips. I would often fold to that raise depending on reads.
 
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I was debating folding on the flop but he had been agressive so I didn't think he had a huge hand. Anyway I couldn't fold on the turn, since it gave me a flush draw as well and I had already committed a big part of my stack. I'll post results after a few more comment if there is any.
 
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well, against a limper, you have to be worried about small pairs, connectors and one gapers. 55, 66, 56, 67, 78, 43, 53, 64, ... could all be bet this way by a LAG player.

i think you're ahead of some of his range and behind some of it. I'm not a big fan of going all ins with top pair medium kicker, though. After he showed strength by raising you on the flop, the only thing you really beat is a complete or semi bluff here.
 
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I'll post results after a few more comment if there is any.

My guess: he has 65, so you are behind his two pairs on the turn, but suck out with one of your 16 outs on the river (8 diamonds (5d gives him a board), 3 jacks, 3 threes and 2 queens).
 
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He actually had KQ which surprised me, and I wasn't lucky on river, it came 3 of hearts to pair the board. I probably should of just folded on the flop, I couldn't fold when the diamond came since I had already invested half my stack.
 
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