Audit of bw's tournament #62648738 (LONG)

ChuckTs

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This is really long, sorry about that. I had to chop it up into different posts, and I hope it's all in the right order and I didn't miss anything.

pokerstars Game #12395506538: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL II (15/30) - 2007/10/02 - 13:22:28 (ET)
Table '62648738 113' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: zfenix1 (4045 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (2715 in chips)
Seat 3: darringravie (4720 in chips)
Seat 4: packard333 (3795 in chips)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (3170 in chips)
Seat 6: a00nx (2660 in chips)
Seat 7: Gico44 (2870 in chips)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (3125 in chips)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie (2890 in chips)
FRED DOBBS: posts small blind 15
NurseBonnie: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Kh Ah]
zfenix1: calls 30
bw07507: raises 120 to 150
darringravie: folds
packard333: folds
CHARLES1964: folds
a00nx: calls 150
Gico44: folds
FRED DOBBS: folds
NurseBonnie: folds
zfenix1: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [2s Ac 5h]
zfenix1: checks
bw07507: bets 250
a00nx: folds
zfenix1: calls 250
*** TURN *** [2s Ac 5h] 6♠
zfenix1: checks
bw07507: checks
*** RIVER *** [2s Ac 5h 6s] 9♦
zfenix1: checks
bw07507: bets 450
zfenix1: folds
bw07507 collected 995 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 995 | Rake 0
Board [2s Ac 5h 6s 9d]
Seat 1: zfenix1 folded on the River
Seat 2: bw07507 collected (995)
Seat 3: darringravie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: packard333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: a00nx folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Gico44 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: NurseBonnie (big blind) folded before Flop

Very well played; I like the turn check. There are few draws out there, and it's probable we're either up against a smaller pair like 7s or 8s, or are against a set or two pair. By checking we induce action on the river from those smaller pairs, smaller aces or even air, and we save chippies vs the hands that beat us.

The check also keeps the pot small, which is what we want with only TPTK 3-handed to the flop. wp.

PokerStars Game #12395525126: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL II (15/30) - 2007/10/02 - 13:23:41 (ET)
Table '62648738 113' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: zfenix1 (3645 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (3310 in chips)
Seat 3: darringravie (4720 in chips)
Seat 4: packard333 (3795 in chips)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (3170 in chips)
Seat 6: a00nx (2510 in chips)
Seat 7: Gico44 (2870 in chips)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (3110 in chips)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie (2860 in chips)
NurseBonnie: posts small blind 15
zfenix1: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [As Ad]
bw07507: raises 90 to 120
darringravie: folds
packard333: folds
CHARLES1964: folds
a00nx: folds
Gico44: folds
FRED DOBBS: folds
NurseBonnie: calls 105
zfenix1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Js Kh]
NurseBonnie: checks
bw07507: bets 150
NurseBonnie: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Jc Js Kh] 5♣
NurseBonnie: checks
bw07507: checks
*** RIVER *** [Jc Js Kh 5c] 6♠
NurseBonnie: checks
bw07507: bets 200
NurseBonnie: folds
bw07507 collected 570 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 570 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Js Kh 5c 6s]
Seat 1: zfenix1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: bw07507 collected (570)
Seat 3: darringravie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: packard333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: a00nx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Gico44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie (small blind) folded on the River

Same deal; we're either up against a jack or maybe a smaller pair, and betting will only give money to the jacks and scare off worse hands. Kings will still call, but I think we're better off just checking the turn here. Even if he's drawing (QT), although we never want to give free cards, we can actually actually give a free river here since he's only drawing to 4 outs. QT probably woulnd't call a turn bet too, and by checking we can maybe get a stack if we spike an ace.

Anyways, another wp hand, and again good pot control.

PokerStars Game #12395583620: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL II (15/30) - 2007/10/02 - 13:27:35 (ET)
Table '62648738 113' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: zfenix1 (4080 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (3565 in chips)
Seat 3: darringravie (4675 in chips)
Seat 4: packard333 (3615 in chips)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (3170 in chips)
Seat 6: a00nx (2510 in chips)
Seat 7: Gico44 (2780 in chips)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (3125 in chips)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie (2470 in chips)
packard333: posts small blind 15
CHARLES1964: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ks Kh]
a00nx: calls 30
Gico44: folds
FRED DOBBS: folds
NurseBonnie: folds
zfenix1: calls 30
bw07507: raises 150 to 180
darringravie: calls 180
packard333: calls 165
CHARLES1964: folds
a00nx: calls 150
zfenix1: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h Kc 3h]
packard333: checks
a00nx: checks
bw07507: bets 400
darringravie: raises 400 to 800
packard333: folds
a00nx: folds
bw07507: raises 2585 to 3385 and is all-in
darringravie: calls 2585
*** TURN *** [2h Kc 3h] J♦
*** RIVER *** [2h Kc 3h Jd] 6♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bw07507: shows [Ks Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
darringravie: shows [Kd Ts] (a pair of Kings)
darringravie said, "nh"
bw07507 collected 7550 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7550 | Rake 0
Board [2h Kc 3h Jd 6h]
Seat 1: zfenix1 folded before Flop
Seat 2: bw07507 showed [Ks Kh] and won (7550) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: darringravie (button) showed [Kd Ts] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: packard333 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: a00nx folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Gico44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Well playing it fast worked out for you, and I don't blame you. I don't mind a smooth call and then ch-push either, but pushing's fine considering the stack sizes. This reminds me of another set hand I played; I wasn't sure to push or smooth call because there was a draw out there and I was facing a minraise. Very similar; I think you played it fine though.

PokerStars Game #12395624108: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL III (25/50) - 2007/10/02 - 13:30:18 (ET)
Table '62648738 113' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: zfenix1 (5160 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (7550 in chips)
Seat 3: darringravie (1110 in chips)
Seat 4: packard333 (3435 in chips)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (2630 in chips)
Seat 6: a00nx (1820 in chips)
Seat 7: Gico44 (2780 in chips)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (3035 in chips)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie (2470 in chips)
a00nx: posts small blind 25
Gico44: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ad Kh]
FRED DOBBS: folds
NurseBonnie: folds
zfenix1: raises 250 to 300
bw07507: raises 600 to 900
darringravie: folds
packard333: folds
CHARLES1964: calls 900
a00nx: folds
Gico44: folds
zfenix1: raises 4260 to 5160 and is all-in
ding ding ding
bw07507: folds
CHARLES1964: calls 1730 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6d 4d Td]
*** TURN *** [6d 4d Td] 2♥
*** RIVER *** [6d 4d Td 2h] 2♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zfenix1: shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
CHARLES1964: shows [Ts Th] (a full house, Tens full of Deuces)
CHARLES1964 collected 6235 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6235 | Rake 0
Board [6d 4d Td 2h 2c]
Seat 1: zfenix1 showed [Ks Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 2: bw07507 folded before Flop
Seat 3: darringravie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: packard333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (button) showed [Ts Th] and won (6235) with a full house, Tens full of Deuces
Seat 6: a00nx (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Gico44 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Very good fold, and not just because you would have lost. A 6BB pfr is usually either a weaker ace/pair that doesn't exactly want to see a flop, or it's a big hand like above. Along with the smooth call and his 4-bet push, I think folding's our only option here, though I know I personally probably gamble and go broke because I have no discipline :)

PokerStars Game #12395789908: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL III (25/50) - 2007/10/02 - 13:41:22 (ET)
Table '62648738 113' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: zfenix1 (5950 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (6525 in chips)
Seat 3: darringravie (660 in chips)
Seat 4: packard333 (4010 in chips)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (6110 in chips)
Seat 6: ginikettu (5585 in chips)
Seat 7: Gico44 (2955 in chips)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (1535 in chips)
Seat 9: NurseBonnie (2320 in chips)
zfenix1: posts small blind 25
bw07507: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Qc As]
darringravie: folds
packard333: folds
CHARLES1964: folds
ginikettu: folds
Gico44: calls 50
FRED DOBBS: folds
NurseBonnie: calls 50
zfenix1: calls 25
bw07507: raises 200 to 250
Gico44: folds
NurseBonnie: calls 200
zfenix1: calls 200

Being OOP I think I check this the majority of the time. In order to isolate or take the pot down, we need to raise 250+, and being OOP with a bloated pot and a marginal drawing hand doesn't exactly appeal to me.

PokerStars Game #12395970863: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/10/02 - 13:53:23 (ET)
Table '62648738 113' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: zfenix1 (9995 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (6750 in chips)
Seat 3: darringravie (1270 in chips)
Seat 4: packard333 (3460 in chips)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (5010 in chips)
Seat 6: ginikettu (5585 in chips)
Seat 7: Gico44 (3155 in chips)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (1285 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: damjanos (1718 in chips)
darringravie: posts small blind 50
packard333: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [As Tc]
CHARLES1964: folds
ginikettu: folds
Gico44: folds
FRED DOBBS: folds
damjanos: raises 200 to 300
zfenix1: folds
bw07507: folds
darringravie: folds
packard333: calls 200

Slightly conservative fold but I like it. We really don't need to get involved here, and we're most probably behind raiser's range.

PokerStars Game #12396004223: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/10/02 - 13:55:35 (ET)
Table '62648738 113' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: zfenix1 (9995 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: bw07507 (6750 in chips)
Seat 3: darringravie (1220 in chips)
Seat 4: packard333 (3060 in chips)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (3710 in chips)
Seat 6: ginikettu (5585 in chips)
Seat 7: Gico44 (3155 in chips)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS (1285 in chips)
Seat 9: damjanos (3468 in chips)
CHARLES1964: posts small blind 50
ginikettu: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ad 6s]
Gico44: folds
FRED DOBBS: folds
damjanos: folds
zfenix1: folds
bw07507: raises 200 to 300
darringravie: folds
packard333: folds
CHARLES1964: calls 250
ginikettu: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [As 7d Jh]
CHARLES1964: bets 100
ginikettu: raises 400 to 500
bw07507: folds
CHARLES1964: raises 400 to 900
ginikettu: folds
CHARLES1964 collected 1900 from pot
CHARLES1964: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1900 | Rake 0
Board [As 7d Jh]
Seat 1: zfenix1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: darringravie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: packard333 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CHARLES1964 (small blind) collected (1900)
Seat 6: ginikettu (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Gico44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FRED DOBBS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: damjanos folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ahh the steals begin. I don't mind this but I think I'm only raising this hand occasionally depending on my table's general style.

PokerStars Game #12396586747: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/10/02 - 14:29:23 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (10335 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (5475 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (13010 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (22925 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (11755 in chips)
Seat 6: oscelio (4445 in chips)
Seat 7: JFKING (5463 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (7553 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (3630 in chips)
arrogantione: posts small blind 100
Itkutin: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [4s Ad]
oscelio: folds
JFKING: folds
AviAnat: calls 200
notever20: folds
cactus_44: folds
bw07507: raises 600 to 800
parkness: folds
arrogantione: raises 2400 to 3200
Itkutin: folds
AviAnat: folds
bw07507: folds

I don't like this as much. Raising limpers is fine sometimes, but players in tourneys are willing to go broke with all types of shit. With nothing but big stacks behind you (including the limper), this could get very costly.

Regarding stealing, I much prefer to do it as an opening raise rather than raising a limper or a few or whatever. If I'm raising limpers, I want to make sure I either have an actual hand, or a hand that has lots of potential, like JTs.

PokerStars Game #12396618843: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/10/02 - 14:31:10 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (10335 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (4675 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (13010 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (24125 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (11455 in chips)
Seat 6: oscelio (4145 in chips)
Seat 7: JFKING (5563 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (7653 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (3630 in chips)
JFKING: posts small blind 100
AviAnat: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ah 7d]
notever20: folds
cactus_44: folds
bw07507: raises 400 to 600
parkness: folds
arrogantione: folds
Itkutin: folds
oscelio: folds
JFKING: folds
AviAnat: folds
bw07507 collected 500 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: cactus_44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 collected (500)
Seat 3: parkness folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: arrogantione folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Itkutin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: oscelio (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: JFKING (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: AviAnat (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: notever20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Again not bad occasionally, but being in EP with big stacks all around, I'm just folding this. I much prefer opening like 78o from the CO then raising this here.
 
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PokerStars Game #12396700257: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/10/02 - 14:35:42 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (9835 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (4675 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (9977 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (23891 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (13255 in chips)
Seat 6: oscelio (4145 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (7253 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (11560 in chips)
parkness: posts small blind 100
arrogantione: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ah 8s]
Itkutin: folds
oscelio: folds
AviAnat: folds
notever20: calls 200
cactus_44: calls 200
bw07507: raises 4475 to 4675 and is all-in
parkness: folds
arrogantione: folds
notever20: folds
cactus_44: folds
Dmoorez is connected
bw07507 collected 900 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 1: cactus_44 folded before Flop
Seat 2: bw07507 (button) collected (900)
Seat 3: parkness (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: arrogantione (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Itkutin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: oscelio folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: AviAnat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: notever20 folded before Flop

A little big, but I like it. If they're limping with 22-77, they're going to have a hard time calling this, and the same goes for SCs and weak aces. Still, a little too much (probably way too much) risk for so little reward.

Loosely paraphrasing from some author (prob Harrington or Doyley), "good players don't risk their entire stack unless they need to". That changes for small-M play, but here we have a healthy enough stack to raise a smaller amount like 1200 and have a very similar, if not the same effect as a push. With like 3K I prefer a push, but too much risk here after thinking about it.

PokerStars Game #12396710207: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/10/02 - 14:36:16 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (9635 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (5375 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (9877 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (23691 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (13255 in chips)
Seat 6: oscelio (4145 in chips)
Seat 7: Dmoorez (9978 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (7253 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (11360 in chips)
arrogantione: posts small blind 100
Itkutin: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ah 5h]
oscelio: folds
Dmoorez: calls 200
AviAnat: folds
notever20: folds
cactus_44: calls 200
bw07507: calls 200

Definitely not the time to be limping. Just fold here. I don't think effective stacks are deep enough here to be limping with hands like this. You're basically playing for 2pair, flushes or trips with this hand, and you'll rarely hit any of them.

PokerStars Game #12396765794: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (150/300) - 2007/10/02 - 14:39:25 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (10485 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (5125 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (9227 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (24116 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (15030 in chips)
Seat 6: oscelio (3645 in chips)
Seat 7: Dmoorez (8428 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (7203 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (11310 in chips)
cactus_44: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
parkness: posts the ante 25
arrogantione: posts the ante 25
Itkutin: posts the ante 25
oscelio: posts the ante 25
Dmoorez: posts the ante 25
AviAnat: posts the ante 25
notever20: posts the ante 25
Dmoorez: posts small blind 150
AviAnat: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ts Js]
notever20: folds
cactus_44: calls 300
bw07507: calls 300

Again, we're not deep enough to be limping at this stage. Especially not with the blinds hopping up to 150/300. This is the time for those cheap steals.

I do prefer JTs over A5s for many reasons, but still, this is a fold (we're not even 20BBs deep!).

PokerStars Game #12396831437: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (150/300) - 2007/10/02 - 14:43:08 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (15135 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (4750 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (9152 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (28936 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (14955 in chips)
Seat 6: Brandonbilly (9613 in chips)
Seat 7: Dmoorez (6628 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (4428 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (10635 in chips)
cactus_44: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
parkness: posts the ante 25
arrogantione: posts the ante 25
Itkutin: posts the ante 25
Brandonbilly: posts the ante 25
Dmoorez: posts the ante 25
AviAnat: posts the ante 25
notever20: posts the ante 25
cactus_44: posts small blind 150
bw07507: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [5c Ad]
parkness: folds
arrogantione: folds
Itkutin: folds
Brandonbilly: calls 300
Dmoorez: folds
AviAnat: calls 300
notever20: folds
cactus_44: folds
bw07507: raises 4425 to 4725 and is all-in
Brandonbilly: calls 4425
AviAnat: folds
*** FLOP *** [5s 3h 9h]
*** TURN *** [5s 3h 9h] 4♠
*** RIVER *** [5s 3h 9h 4s] A♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bw07507: shows [5c Ad] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
Brandonbilly: shows [8h 8d] (a pair of Eights)
bw07507 collected 10125 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10125 | Rake 0
Board [5s 3h 9h 4s As]
Seat 1: cactus_44 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: bw07507 (big blind) showed [5c Ad] and won (10125) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 3: parkness folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: arrogantione folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Itkutin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Brandonbilly showed [8h 8d] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 7: Dmoorez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: AviAnat folded before Flop
Seat 9: notever20 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Not the greatest hand to pull this move with. The most probable hands for the limpers are small/medium pairs, and small SCs (87s) or big connectors (QJ/KQ). SC's won't call (most of the time, heh), but pairs will, and KQ will occasionally gamble. We want to have a good chance if we get called, and I prefer either AT+ or something like JTs here. We're rarely dominated with those hands, and will be coinflipping against hands like 88, but with hands like A5, we're either 70/30ing or worse.

You've been fairly active too, so we have even less FE. His call is justified, and you obv got lucky here. Keep in mind your image will be tarnished after this, so we need to tighten up a significantly.

PokerStars Game #12396845233: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (150/300) - 2007/10/02 - 14:43:55 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (14960 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (10125 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (9127 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (28911 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (14930 in chips)
Seat 6: Brandonbilly (4863 in chips)
Seat 7: Dmoorez (6603 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (4103 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (10610 in chips)
cactus_44: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
parkness: posts the ante 25
arrogantione: posts the ante 25
Itkutin: posts the ante 25
Brandonbilly: posts the ante 25
Dmoorez: posts the ante 25
AviAnat: posts the ante 25
notever20: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts small blind 150
parkness: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Qh Qd]
notever20 said, "sik"
arrogantione: folds
Itkutin: folds
Brandonbilly: raises 4538 to 4838 and is all-in
Dmoorez: folds
AviAnat: folds
notever20: folds
cactus_44: folds
bw07507: raises 5262 to 10100 and is all-in
parkness: folds

Standard, obviously. I just wanted to mention that I hope you noted him and his overbet push with such a weak hand.

PokerStars Game #12396944307: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (150/300) - 2007/10/02 - 14:49:22 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (1720 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (15688 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (18292 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (12250 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (8525 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (3268 in chips)
Seat 7: throppster (14715 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5305 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (5605 in chips)
bobobobo99: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts small blind 150
Misa18: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Kh Ks]
Noursounet: folds
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
bobobobo99: folds
bw07507: raises 300 to 600
Misa18: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ts 5c]
bw07507: checks
Misa18: checks
*** TURN *** [Kc Ts 5c] 9♦
bw07507: bets 600
Misa18: folds
bw07507 collected 1425 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1425 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Ts 5c 9d]
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 (small blind) collected (1425)
Seat 3: Misa18 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Noursounet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haplot folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Hate the minraise tbh. You're never doing that as a bluff, are you? Good players will pick up on this, plus you're giving villain a very very cheap flop. Stick to what you normally raise; 2.5 or 3BBs.

PokerStars Game #12396959117: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (150/300) - 2007/10/02 - 14:50:11 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (1695 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (16488 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (17667 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (12225 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (8500 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (3243 in chips)
Seat 7: throppster (14690 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5280 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (5580 in chips)
bobobobo99: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts small blind 150
Noursounet: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [9c Qh]
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
KingofBalkan is sitting out
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
KingofBalkan has returned
bobobobo99: folds
bw07507: raises 450 to 750
Misa18: folds
Noursounet: folds
bw07507 collected 975 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 975 | Rake 0
Seat 1: bobobobo99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 (button) collected (975)
Seat 3: Misa18 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Noursounet (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haplot folded before Flop (didn't bet)

me likey. Good aggression; I'm not sure what the BB and SB's stats are like, but if they keep folding, keep on raising.

PokerStars Game #12397006219: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 14:52:45 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (1595 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (17063 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (16517 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (18425 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (8625 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2693 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (9790 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5180 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (5480 in chips)
bobobobo99: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts small blind 200
ZoggerX: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Qs As]
haplot: calls 400
throppster said, "how r u still in that pot"
bobobobo99: folds
bw07507: raises 1200 to 1600
Misa18: folds
Noursounet: folds
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [6d Jc 6h]
haplot: bets 3855 and is all-in
bw07507: folds
haplot collected 4025 from pot
haplot: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4025 | Rake 0
Board [6d Jc 6h]
Seat 1: bobobobo99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Misa18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Noursounet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ZoggerX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: haplot collected (4025)

Standard here too. He's most probably doing this with a small/med pair as a stop n go type play, and occasionally QJ/KJ I think. A pair vs overcards postflop is about a 3:1 favorite, so keep that in mind next time you run into this kind of play because you might be getting the right odds to call. 1.9:1 here isn't.

PokerStars Game #12397045089: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 14:54:53 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (1545 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (15413 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (16467 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (18375 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (8575 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2643 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (9540 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (6155 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (6655 in chips)
bobobobo99: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts small blind 200
bobobobo99: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Jc Ac]
bw07507: raises 800 to 1200
Misa18: folds
Noursounet: folds
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
bobobobo99: folds
bw07507 collected 1225 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1225 | Rake 0
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: bw07507 collected (1225)
Seat 3: Misa18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Noursounet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haplot (small blind) folded before Flop

Careful with AJ here. I like the opening raise, but we have to be really cautious if we get called. If we get a raise behind us we should be automucking this unless we're getting odds vs a shortstack AIPF or something.

PokerStars Game #12397057184: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 14:55:33 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (1120 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (16213 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (16442 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (18350 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (8550 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2618 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (9515 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (6130 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (6430 in chips)
bobobobo99: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
bobobobo99: posts small blind 200
bw07507: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [3d 8d]
Misa18: folds
Noursounet: folds
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
bobobobo99: raises 695 to 1095 and is all-in
bw07507: calls 695
*** FLOP *** [4d 3s Ad]
*** TURN *** [4d 3s Ad] Q♦
*** RIVER *** [4d 3s Ad Qd] 2♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bobobobo99: shows [Kc 8c] (high card Ace)
bw07507: shows [3d 8d] (a flush, Ace high)
bw07507 collected 2415 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2415 | Rake 0
Board [4d 3s Ad Qd 2h]
Seat 1: bobobobo99 (small blind) showed [Kc 8c] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: bw07507 (big blind) showed [3d 8d] and won (2415) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: Misa18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Noursounet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haplot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

2.76:1 is pretty much good enough to call ATC here. Also, the fact that after seeing this hand, other short stacks will definitely think twice about shoving your blind seeing as how you showed down such a weak hand there.

The last thing you want is your opponents picking on your blinds in the late stages of a tourney.

PokerStars Game #12397070961: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 14:56:19 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: bw07507 (17508 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (16417 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (18325 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (8525 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2593 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (9490 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (6105 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (6405 in chips)
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts small blind 200
Noursounet: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [8c 8s]
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
bw07507: raises 800 to 1200
Misa18: folds
Noursounet: calls 800
*** FLOP *** [4c 9s 7d]
Noursounet: checks
bw07507: bets 1200
Noursounet: folds
bw07507 collected 2800 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
whskywish is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2800 | Rake 0
Board [4c 9s 7d]
Seat 2: bw07507 (button) collected (2800)
Seat 3: Misa18 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Noursounet (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haplot folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Standard. If you're going to make 2.5BB raises with your bluffs, though, then do the same with your actual hands. If you're varying between 2.5 and 4 or 2.5 and 3 or whatever, then raising slightly more with a vulnerable pair like 8s is fine. We don't exactly want action.

PokerStars Game #12397115551: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 14:58:48 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (10860 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (19008 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (16117 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (17650 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (16475 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2718 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (8990 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (6005 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (6305 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts small blind 200
ZoggerX: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ad Ah]
haplot: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 600 to 1000
Misa18: folds
Noursounet: folds
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
bw07507 collected 1225 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1225 | Rake 0
Seat 1: whskywish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 collected (1225)
Seat 3: Misa18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Noursounet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ZoggerX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: haplot folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Much better :)
 
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PokerStars Game #12397163852: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 15:01:07 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (7585 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (20583 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (16042 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (17575 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (16400 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2643 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (8715 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5130 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (9455 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
whskywish: posts small blind 200
bw07507: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Qc 4h]
Misa18: folds
Noursounet: folds
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
whskywish: calls 200
bw07507: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 2c 6c]
whskywish: bets 400
bw07507: calls 400

Pair + 3rd nut flush, good enough for a call. I probably raise this if I feel villain is just taking a stab at the pot here, but slow right down if he calls.

*** TURN *** [4c 2c 6c] J♥
whskywish: bets 1200
bw07507: calls 1200

Here's where you really have to slow down and think. What's he betting with? The only thing you're really beating is xAc. I suppose you do have outs vs 6x or whatever, but I fold this turn the majority of the time.

*** RIVER *** [4c 2c 6c Jh] [Th]
whskywish: bets 1600
bw07507: calls 1600

There's really nothing we beat here that makes this bet. I know the average player in the $5s doesn't have the balls to make this river bet as a bluff (with it being so small). You are beat here, just fold.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
whskywish: shows [Kc Jc] (a flush, King high)
bw07507: mucks hand
whskywish collected 7425 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7425 | Rake 0
Board [4c 2c 6c Jh Th]
Seat 1: whskywish (small blind) showed [Kc Jc] and won (7425) with a flush, King high
Seat 2: bw07507 (big blind) mucked [Qc 4h]
Seat 3: Misa18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Noursounet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haplot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #12397196463: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 15:02:41 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (11335 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (16708 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (15367 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (17100 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (16325 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2568 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (10290 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5055 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (9380 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts small blind 200
wronghole: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Js 6c]
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 600 to 1000

I like the stealing, but J6 is just too weak. I need something with some kind of potential to it. We'll never be comfortable with J6 unless we flop trips or better.

Misa18: folds
Noursounet: calls 800
wronghole: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 2s Qc]
Noursounet: bets 1200
bw07507: calls 1200

Again, stop and think; what is villain betting with?
I don't think it's a Q since he most probably would have ch-r you, but it's possible. I think his more probable holdings are small/med pairs and random hands like A9 or 45.

Raising's bloats the pot too much - it makes the play that much more volatile. I really like the smooth call because we not only most probably are ahead here, but we've also got outs to improve, and outs to bluff.

I think it was Harrington who said we can occasionally include scare cards into our outs because it gives us a chance to take the pot away. I think kings and aces can be included here.

*** TURN *** [6d 2s Qc] A♦
Noursounet: checks
bw07507: bets 2400

Perfect. Very wp.

Noursounet: folds
bw07507 collected 5025 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5025 | Rake 0
Board [6d 2s Qc Ad]
Seat 1: whskywish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 collected (5025)
Seat 3: Misa18 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Noursounet (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: wronghole (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haplot folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #12397212527: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/10/02 - 15:03:27 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (11310 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (19508 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (15342 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (14875 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (15900 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (2543 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: throppster (10265 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5030 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (9355 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 25
bw07507: posts the ante 25
Misa18: posts the ante 25
Noursounet: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts the ante 25
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 25
throppster: posts the ante 25
ZoggerX: posts the ante 25
haplot: posts the ante 25
wronghole: posts small blind 200
KingofBalkan: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [4d Qd]
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 600 to 1000

Again, we need more meat in a hand, and I wait for at least Q9s or hands that are somehow connected. Still, I like the aggression on what seems to be a pretty weak table.

PokerStars Game #12397445448: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IX (300/600) - 2007/10/02 - 15:15:08 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (5660 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (19383 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (18367 in chips)
Seat 4: Noursounet (14025 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (15450 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (1693 in chips)
Seat 7: throppster (13990 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (7830 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (7730 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 50
bw07507: posts the ante 50
Misa18: posts the ante 50
Noursounet: posts the ante 50
wronghole: posts the ante 50
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 50
throppster: posts the ante 50
ZoggerX: posts the ante 50
haplot: posts the ante 50
Noursounet: posts small blind 300
wronghole: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Td Ah]
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: raises 600 to 1200
whskywish: folds
bw07507: folds

Again I don't have the stats so it's kind of hard to analyze too heavily, but I'll pop in a little 3500 raise here to see where I'm at and to take control of the hand here. These little raises are often small pairs, KQ type hands, and steals.

PokerStars Game #12397467348: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IX (300/600) - 2007/10/02 - 15:16:16 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (5610 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (19333 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (18317 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (31025 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (1643 in chips)
Seat 7: throppster (13940 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (7780 in chips)
Seat 9: haplot (6480 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 50
bw07507: posts the ante 50
Misa18: posts the ante 50
wronghole: posts the ante 50
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 50
throppster: posts the ante 50
ZoggerX: posts the ante 50
haplot: posts the ante 50
KingofBalkan: posts small blind 300
throppster: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Th Jc]
ZoggerX: folds
haplot: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 900 to 1500

Good :) MUCH better hand for stealing. We have plenty of potential with this hand.

PokerStars Game #12397662135: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IX (300/600) - 2007/10/02 - 15:26:34 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (14975 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (21783 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (21317 in chips)
Seat 4: Edie02 (5030 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (27331 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (1879 in chips)
Seat 7: throppster (13190 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5380 in chips)
Seat 9: willitholdup (11530 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 50
bw07507: posts the ante 50
Misa18: posts the ante 50
Edie02: posts the ante 50
wronghole: posts the ante 50
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 50
throppster: posts the ante 50
ZoggerX: posts the ante 50
willitholdup: posts the ante 50
whskywish: posts small blind 300
bw07507: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ad As]
Misa18: folds
Edie02: folds
wronghole: folds
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
willitholdup: raises 1200 to 1800
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 1800 to 3600
willitholdup: folds
bw07507 collected 4350 from pot
bw07507: doesn't show hand

This is very obvious to anyone with any experience...you being OOP, having rarely showed a 3-bet before...this just has to be a monster if I'm seeing this through villain's eyes. You'll fold out a lot of hands here, but then again any bigger raise will scare away just as many hands.

I don't think it's bad, but it's just something to keep in mind. Tiny, inviting 3-bets in situations like these are very see-through.

PokerStars Game #12397695093: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IX (300/600) - 2007/10/02 - 15:28:19 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (14525 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (23883 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (20267 in chips)
Seat 4: Edie02 (4280 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (27181 in chips)
Seat 6: KingofBalkan (1729 in chips)
Seat 7: throppster (14390 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5230 in chips)
Seat 9: willitholdup (10930 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 50
bw07507: posts the ante 50
Misa18: posts the ante 50
Edie02: posts the ante 50
wronghole: posts the ante 50
KingofBalkan: posts the ante 50
throppster: posts the ante 50
ZoggerX: posts the ante 50
willitholdup: posts the ante 50
Edie02: posts small blind 300
wronghole: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [2c Ah]
willitholdup said, "hought"
KingofBalkan: folds
throppster: folds
ZoggerX: folds
willitholdup: folds
whskywish: calls 600
bw07507: raises 1800 to 2400

Again I think A2 is too weak here, but we have a decent chance at taking it down.

Misa18: folds
Edie02: folds
wronghole: folds
whskywish: calls 1800
*** FLOP *** [Js 6h Td]
whskywish: checks

This is generally a bad-textured flop for you, but I think it depends on what types of hands your opponent limps with. We can fold out a lot of small pairs here (probably up to 9s, not including 6s of course), but at the same time we get into a lot of trouble vs KQ or KJ or those type of limping hands.

I fold PF, but as played I check behind here.

bw07507: bets 3000
whskywish: raises 9000 to 12000
bw07507: folds
whskywish collected 12150 from pot
whskywish: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12150 | Rake 0
Board [Js 6h Td]
Seat 1: whskywish collected (12150)
Seat 2: bw07507 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Misa18 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Edie02 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: wronghole (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: KingofBalkan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: throppster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoggerX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: willitholdup folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #12397738979: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL X (400/800) - 2007/10/02 - 15:30:41 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (21075 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (18283 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (20067 in chips)
Seat 4: Edie02 (3780 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (28185 in chips)
Seat 7: throppster (15265 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoggerX (5030 in chips)
Seat 9: willitholdup (10730 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 75
bw07507: posts the ante 75
Misa18: posts the ante 75
Edie02: posts the ante 75
wronghole: posts the ante 75
throppster: posts the ante 75
ZoggerX: posts the ante 75
willitholdup: posts the ante 75
ZoggerX: posts small blind 400
willitholdup: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [8h Ac]
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 1200 to 2000

Good, but watch out for the big stacks. They'll want to see flops and play poker against you, especially with position.

PokerStars Game #12397870259: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL X (400/800) - 2007/10/02 - 15:37:53 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (20900 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (18208 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (18192 in chips)
Seat 4: roy0303 (6450 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (26310 in chips)
Seat 6: Io 4 (22095 in chips)
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo (19601 in chips)
Seat 8: HEavykick (51476 in chips)
Seat 9: willitholdup (16765 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 75
bw07507: posts the ante 75
Misa18: posts the ante 75
roy0303: posts the ante 75
wronghole: posts the ante 75
Io 4: posts the ante 75
ilpizzopazzo: posts the ante 75
HEavykick: posts the ante 75
willitholdup: posts the ante 75
whskywish: posts small blind 400
bw07507: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [4d 7d]
Misa18: calls 800
roy0303: folds
wronghole: folds
Io 4: folds
ilpizzopazzo: folds
HEavykick: folds
willitholdup: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: checks
*** FLOP *** [6h Jd 9d]
bw07507: checks

Lead this flop. We can take it down a lot of the time, and have outs if we get called.

Misa18: bets 800
bw07507: calls 800

Very weak; we've given control to misa now, and don't know if he/she is just bluffing or actually has a hand. We're basically banking on hitting our hand now.

*** TURN *** [6h Jd 9d] 4♠
bw07507: checks
Misa18: bets 1600
bw07507: calls 1600
*** RIVER *** [6h Jd 9d 4s] A♥
bw07507: checks
Misa18: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bw07507: shows [4d 7d] (a pair of Fours)
Misa18: shows [Qd Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
Misa18 collected 7475 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7475 | Rake 0
Board [6h Jd 9d 4s Ah]
Seat 1: whskywish (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: bw07507 (big blind) showed [4d 7d] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 3: Misa18 showed [Qd Jh] and won (7475) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: roy0303 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Io 4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: HEavykick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: willitholdup (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Just too passive, and an ugly hand in general.
 
ChuckTs

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PokerStars Game #12397910798: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL X (400/800) - 2007/10/02 - 15:40:10 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (20425 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (14933 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (22392 in chips)
Seat 4: roy0303 (6375 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (26235 in chips)
Seat 6: Io 4 (22020 in chips)
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo (19526 in chips)
Seat 8: HEavykick (51401 in chips)
Seat 9: willitholdup (16690 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 75
bw07507: posts the ante 75
Misa18: posts the ante 75
roy0303: posts the ante 75
wronghole: posts the ante 75
Io 4: posts the ante 75
ilpizzopazzo: posts the ante 75
HEavykick: posts the ante 75
willitholdup: posts the ante 75
bw07507: posts small blind 400
Misa18: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ks 9s]
roy0303: folds
wronghole: folds
Io 4: folds
ilpizzopazzo: calls 800
HEavykick: folds
willitholdup: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: calls 400

The problem with this type of hand is that we're either going to be sitting on an unsure pair of kings or nines, or will be drawing to a flush. Drawing is the last thing we want to do at this stage, especially if we're playing our draws like you did in the last hand - passively.

Misa18: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 4c Td]
bw07507: checks
Misa18: checks
ilpizzopazzo: checks
*** TURN *** [4s 4c Td] 5♠
bw07507: checks
Misa18: bets 800
ilpizzopazzo: calls 800
bw07507: calls 800

See? We're getting odds, but we're just leaking chips most of the time. Save the draws for the early stages where we have massive implied odds. I'm just folding this turn.

*** RIVER *** [4s 4c Td 5s] 8♦
bw07507: checks
Misa18: bets 800
ilpizzopazzo: calls 800
bw07507: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Misa18: shows [Kd 5c] (two pair, Fives and Fours)
ilpizzopazzo: mucks hand
Misa18 collected 7075 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7075 | Rake 0
Board [4s 4c Td 5s 8d]
Seat 1: whskywish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: Misa18 (big blind) showed [Kd 5c] and won (7075) with two pair, Fives and Fours
Seat 4: roy0303 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Io 4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo mucked [Ah 3d]
Seat 8: HEavykick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: willitholdup folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #12397942216: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL X (400/800) - 2007/10/02 - 15:41:57 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (20275 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (13183 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (29992 in chips)
Seat 4: roy0303 (3825 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (26085 in chips)
Seat 6: Io 4 (21870 in chips)
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo (16976 in chips)
Seat 8: HEavykick (51251 in chips)
Seat 9: willitholdup (16540 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 75
bw07507: posts the ante 75
Misa18: posts the ante 75
roy0303: posts the ante 75
wronghole: posts the ante 75
Io 4: posts the ante 75
ilpizzopazzo: posts the ante 75
HEavykick: posts the ante 75
willitholdup: posts the ante 75
roy0303: posts small blind 400
wronghole: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Qs 7h]
Io 4: folds
ilpizzopazzo: folds
HEavykick: folds
willitholdup: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 1200 to 2000
Misa18: calls 2000
roy0303: folds
wronghole: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s Jc 8h]
bw07507: bets 3000

Just a thought; try (what I think is called) the go-stop-go once in a while. It's basically a c-bet that's delayed until the turn. This is a great flop for us, but we can also switch up our standard 'raise PF, c-bet flop' routine and get our opponents heads churning.

If villain checks behind us and a brick drops on the turn, we can fire a little 1/2 pot bet and take it down a lot of the time. He will get a little confused with your line and probably deduce that you're either getting tricky with a big pair/set, or have some small pair that might have been afraid of the jack. He'll also realize that his ace high (in this case) will have one less street on which to improve. He no longer has the turn+river, but only the river.

Misa18: calls 3000
*** TURN *** [3s Jc 8h] 3♥
bw07507: checks
Misa18: checks
*** RIVER *** [3s Jc 8h 3h] J♥
bw07507: checks
Misa18: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bw07507: shows [Qs 7h] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
Misa18: shows [Qc Ah] (two pair, Jacks and Threes - Ace kicker)
Misa18 collected 11875 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11875 | Rake 0
Board [3s Jc 8h 3h Jh]
Seat 1: whskywish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 showed [Qs 7h] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 3: Misa18 (button) showed [Qc Ah] and won (11875) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 4: roy0303 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: wronghole (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Io 4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: HEavykick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: willitholdup folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Another thing to keep in mind is your stack size when you're stealing. These guys are now realizing you're probably raising with less than premium hands, and will be more likely to look you up or even play back at you. At your stack size, I'm waiting for better hands than Q7 because we're just plain more likely to get called.

I think getting crazy and raising hands like this for steals should be saved for medium and big-stacked play unless we're very sure we can take the pot down.

PokerStars Game #12397967457: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL X (400/800) - 2007/10/02 - 15:43:23 (ET)
Table '62648738 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: whskywish (20200 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (8108 in chips)
Seat 3: Misa18 (36792 in chips)
Seat 4: roy0303 (3350 in chips)
Seat 5: wronghole (25210 in chips)
Seat 6: Io 4 (21795 in chips)
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo (16901 in chips)
Seat 8: HEavykick (51176 in chips)
Seat 9: willitholdup (16465 in chips)
whskywish: posts the ante 75
bw07507: posts the ante 75
Misa18: posts the ante 75
roy0303: posts the ante 75
wronghole: posts the ante 75
Io 4: posts the ante 75
ilpizzopazzo: posts the ante 75
HEavykick: posts the ante 75
willitholdup: posts the ante 75
wronghole: posts small blind 400
Io 4: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Td Ks]
wronghole said, "lol"
ilpizzopazzo: folds
HEavykick: folds
willitholdup: folds
whskywish: folds
bw07507: raises 7233 to 8033 and is all-in

Well a little bit of a tilt-push it seems, but a standard one if you ask me. Declining M + two high cards + folded to you in LP = push. The problem is that you'll get called by a wider range with your tarnished table image.

Misa18: folds
roy0303: folds
wronghole: folds
Io 4: calls 7233
*** FLOP *** [2h 5c 8h]
*** TURN *** [2h 5c 8h] 5♠
*** RIVER *** [2h 5c 8h 5s] 3♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Io 4: shows [Ah 7d] (a pair of Fives)
bw07507: shows [Td Ks] (a pair of Fives - lower kicker)
Io 4 collected 17141 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17141 | Rake 0
Board [2h 5c 8h 5s 3h]
Seat 1: whskywish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bw07507 showed [Td Ks] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 3: Misa18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: roy0303 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wronghole (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Io 4 (big blind) showed [Ah 7d] and won (17141) with a pair of Fives
Seat 7: ilpizzopazzo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: HEavykick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: willitholdup folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Very WP game overall. I think a few too many steals with marginal hands was your biggest problem. That and playing your draws passively.
 
robwhufc

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Nice work Chuck.

Pretty tough reading after I tore my hair out the last 2 and a half hours of the OFC, with no pairs and only AK and AJ my 2 decent hands (AK lost to opponents AJ, my AJ took out opponents AK!).

In 2 hours, bw was dealt
13.22 - AKs
13.23 - AA
13.27 - KK
13.30 - AK
13.41 - AQ
13.53 - A10

bit of a lull then

14.40 - QQ
14.49 - KK
14.52 - AQs
14.54 - AJs
14.56 - 88
14.58 - AA

then not a lot, until

15.26 - AA.

:(
 
NineLions

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Thanks Chuck, and bw.

The only question I have is on this one:


PokerStars Game #12396710207: TOURNAMENT #62648738, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/10/02 - 14:36:16 (ET)
Table '62648738 176' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cactus_44 (9635 in chips)
Seat 2: bw07507 (5375 in chips)
Seat 3: parkness (9877 in chips)
Seat 4: arrogantione (23691 in chips)
Seat 5: Itkutin (13255 in chips)
Seat 6: oscelio (4145 in chips)
Seat 7: Dmoorez (9978 in chips)
Seat 8: AviAnat (7253 in chips)
Seat 9: notever20 (11360 in chips)
arrogantione: posts small blind 100
Itkutin: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Ah 5h]
oscelio: folds
Dmoorez: calls 200
AviAnat: folds
notever20: folds
cactus_44: calls 200
bw07507: calls 200

Definitely not the time to be limping. Just fold here. I don't think effective stacks are deep enough here to be limping with hands like this. You're basically playing for 2pair, flushes or trips with this hand, and you'll rarely hit any of them.


bw's got 25 BBs and the 2 limpers have him covered. I probably would have limped here too, so what would you want to have minimum to be flush mining here?
 
ChuckTs

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bw's got 25 BBs and the 2 limpers have him covered. I probably would have limped here too, so what would you want to have minimum to be flush mining here?


We're about 8:1 to flop a flush draw, nevermind a made flush (which, according to this, is a 118:1 shot).

Plain and simple, unless we've got unusually large effective stacks at this stage of the tourney, we shouldn't be mining anything without very very good odds. It's basically raise/fold time. Not to mention we will occasionally get involved with an ace - I realize bw's good enough not to commit himself with TP no kicker, but if everyone checks an Axx flop, bw' probably going to put in a bet on the turn, and he could run into a bigger Ax. We could also get in deeeep shit if we flop TP with the nut flush draw. It's just not worth it.

While I like to act like I know EV and odds and all the math behind situations like this, I'm pretty clueless, and I'd say based on feel that the minimum for me would be A9s or ATs here. Even then though, I'm probably raising it up and trying to take down the dead money.
 
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We're about 8:1 to flop a flush draw, nevermind a made flush (which, according to this, is a 118:1 shot).

Plain and simple, unless we've got unusually large effective stacks at this stage of the tourney, we shouldn't be mining anything without very very good odds. It's basically raise/fold time. Not to mention we will occasionally get involved with an ace - I realize bw's good enough not to commit himself with TP no kicker, but if everyone checks an Axx flop, bw' probably going to put in a bet on the turn, and he could run into a bigger Ax. We could also get in deeeep shit if we flop TP with the nut flush draw. It's just not worth it.

While I like to act like I know EV and odds and all the math behind situations like this, I'm pretty clueless, and I'd say based on feel that the minimum for me would be A9s or ATs here. Even then though, I'm probably raising it up and trying to take down the dead money.

As opposed to this:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tou...s-hitting-ace-flop-mtt-tricky-hand-1-a-80847/

Rex has got 45 BBs, one opponent ahead of him has almost as much but the other only has 17 or so. But you didn't like the call preflop there either, and he ended up in just the kind of difficult situation that you're trying to avoid.
 
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