AQ vs squeeze early in $15 turbo

ChuckTs

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This is why I hate playing marginal hands early :/

pokerstars GAME #9666957153: TOURNAMENT #49062627, $15+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL I (10/20) - 2007/04/29 - 14:16:13 (ET)
Table '49062627 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Sethi336 (1590 in chips)
Seat 2: Sassy1074 (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: MAFinest22 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: bob rwb vfb (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: theKINGone (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: theereelmcoy (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: BMoneyLess (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: boss429lvr (1570 in chips)
Seat 9: ChuckTs (1500 in chips)
bob rwb vfb: posts small blind 10
theKINGone: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Ad Qc]
theereelmcoy: folds
BMoneyLess: folds
boss429lvr: folds
ChuckTs: raises 60 to 80
Sethi336: calls 80
Sassy1074: raises 160 to 240
MAFinest22: folds
bob rwb vfb: folds
theKINGone: folds
ChuckTs: ...

No reads yet; only 3 hands in.

What do you think of playing super tight and folding PF? Maybe limping?
I often limp/fold to a raise or just fold in EP, but in MP I decided to pop in a raise...
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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I hope you don't mean open-folding and are instead referring to folding to the reraise, as open-folding would be pretty bad here.

I like folding the the reraise - I don't think we can really call this a bona-fide "squeeze" as, with the preflop raiser, a caller, and three others still to act at level 1 of a $15 donkngo, it would be a very dangerous squeeze.

Of course villain could be a donk, but with no reads we should assume he's just an average $15 player, and the average $15 player isn't reraising with a lot that we beat here. With AQ we're going to miss most flops, and be out of position and faced with a flop bet that we can't justifiably call. Even if we hit, we may of course be no good, in which case we will probably be going bust.

So, to answer the question - I like the pf raise, I like folding to the reraise. Hope the other guy calls and they get to a showdown. :)
 
ChuckTs

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I hope you don't mean open-folding and are instead referring to folding to the reraise, as open-folding would be pretty bad here.


Erm...ya, I did :eek:

Maybe a little (or a lot) on the tight side, but w/e.

What about the metagame aspect of folding to the raise here? I'm always trying to lay down the image of a very tight/aggressive player in these early stages; basically (if possible) as someone who only plays the high pairs and like AK.

If we raise and fold to this small-ish reraise (we are getting 2.7:1), we show that we back down pretty easily, which leads to us getting played back at more than usual (which is what I obv don't want)

...or do people even pay attention to extent :/
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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At a $15 turbo donkngo, metagame is practically irrelevant simply because (a) they last like 45 minutes tops, and (b) the good players are generally multitabling, and the bad players are bad players who aren't paying attention.
 
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I think your PF raise is fine and I agree with DM that open-folding is not a good play even if its early in the sitngo and your trying to give that TAG perception of yourself. Folding to a reraise is this case, since there was already a caller, and being OOP, doesn't necessarily look weak to the more observant players.

If happens that you get played back on your next raise then you can consider taking a stand. But in this case with a third player in the hand I think its best to let go w/o worrying too much about image, because w/o reads on these players and being OOP this hand could turn into a big loss which is worse than protecting your image.

BTW, I'm still waiting for the continuation of experiment hand #1: 100 NL, 78c gutshot + flush draw OOP.

Did you forget it or got disgusted by the outcome?
 
ChuckTs

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I think your PF raise is fine and I agree with DM that open-folding is not a good play even if its early in the sitngo and your trying to give that TAG perception of yourself. Folding to a reraise is this case, since there was already a caller, and being OOP, doesn't necessarily look weak to the more observant players.

If happens that you get played back on your next raise then you can consider taking a stand. But in this case with a third player in the hand I think its best to let go w/o worrying too much about image, because w/o reads on these players and being OOP this hand could turn into a big loss which is worse than protecting your image.

ya, maybe I take too much consideration into my table image. Ah well.

Here's the botched up remains of the hand:

POKERSTARS GAME #9666957153: TOURNAMENT #49062627, $15+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL I (10/20) - 2007/04/29 - 14:16:13 (ET)
Table '49062627 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Sethi336 (1590 in chips)
Seat 2: Sassy1074 (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: MAFinest22 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: bob rwb vfb (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: theKINGone (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: theereelmcoy (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: BMoneyLess (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: boss429lvr (1570 in chips)
Seat 9: ChuckTs (1500 in chips)
bob rwb vfb: posts small blind 10
theKINGone: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Ad Qc]
theereelmcoy: folds
BMoneyLess: folds
boss429lvr: folds
ChuckTs: raises 60 to 80
Sethi336: calls 80
Sassy1074: raises 160 to 240
MAFinest22: folds
bob rwb vfb: folds
theKINGone: folds
ChuckTs: calls 160 (almost 3:1, call is meh)
Sethi336: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [Jd 7c 6s]
ChuckTs: checks
Sethi336: checks
Sassy1074: bets 400
ChuckTs: folds (I'm literally saying BAH out loud and shaking my head here).
Sethi336: folds
Sassy1074 collected 750 from pot
Sassy1074: doesn't show hand


BTW, I'm still waiting for the continuation of experiment hand #1: 100 NL, 78c gutshot + flush draw OOP.

Did you forget it or got disgusted by the outcome?

oops.

Both :) Gonna go finish that off right now.
 
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I dont think The fold is weak tight at all. With the blinds still at 20 and a big reraise with the SNG just starting out, youre more often than not way behind.

If ace comes you might be against AK, and if a queen, youre potentially up against aa or kk.

Its a trouble hand this early, i think folding it is fine.

And in a turbo sng you could be tight or loose, but when the blinds go up people will often play their cards and position regardless. Clock ticks 2 fast.
 
Bombjack

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Fold pre-flop to re-raise without reads, save chips. AQ is below normal re-raising range, and you'll be out of position for the rest of the hand, plus if you hit an Ace or Queen you don't know that your hand is good.
 
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