AQ hitting TPTK

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i just got moevd tables, still kind of early in the sng, no reads yet...
pokerstars Game #8601814654: Tournament #43799671, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/24 - 14:23:12 (ET)
Table '43799671 3' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: simon011053 (957 in chips)
Seat 2: frostyc (2675 in chips)
Seat 3: HorstusB (3551 in chips)
Seat 4: popdog60 (3445 in chips)
Seat 5: stlblues22 (3202 in chips)
Seat 6: Brocks11 (1935 in chips)
stlblues22: posts small blind 25
Brocks11: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to popdog60 [Qh Ac]
simon011053: folds
frostyc: folds
HorstusB: folds
popdog60: raises 150 to 200
stlblues22: calls 175
Brocks11: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c Tc Qs]
stlblues22: checks
popdog60: bets 200
HorstusB is sitting out
stlblues22: raises 200 to 400
popdog60: wonders what to do....

i have seen this player slow play a set already, so i definately didnt put him on 8's...
after a little while of thinking i thought, the min raise bluff with flush draw?
 
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If you put him on a flush draw you probably need to reraise fairly big here although QT is also a possibility along with a straight draw. You could just see the turn here and if no flush or straight cards hit bet out big, if reraised you could be beat by 2 pair or a set or just be up against some donk with KQ.
 
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If you've identified him as a slowplayer, this is definitely a bluff/semibluff. Slowplayers rarely make this play in my experience.

I reraise to ~1200 and probably fold to a push.
 
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My hunch is that he's trying to define his hand with a weaker kicker/Ax/draws etc. A re-raise will most likely get him to fold.

OTH if you're behind a straight/2pair or a set, you don't want to put more money in right now than you have to.

Both scenarios suggest a call to see the turn.
 
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I would put him on JQ. And i don't think that less than an allin push is going to get him off. So it's up to you, do you call with your TPTK, hoping it holds, or do you push it and try to take the down the pot right then and there?
 
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If you've identified him as a slowplayer, this is definitely a bluff/semibluff. Slowplayers rarely make this play in my experience.

Just about right. That would be a call of $800 to see $2050. Just a little better than 2.5:1. Just enough to make it wrong for him to call even if he gets a free turn card, which you should give him unless you improve.
 
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I think his min raise might of to find out a bit more information from you. Generally if he has position on you and is on a flush draw, he wouldn't really raise to see another card when hes got a call. I would reraise him like to around 1000chips and if he pushes I would fold.
 
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Why would he minraise with a flush draw, thus giving you the chance to raise/shove and force him out? If he makes a decent raise or calls I can see us thinking he may have a flush draw, but a minraise is pretty much the worst play here if he is drawing, unless perhaps he has an absolute monster draw with KcJc, but even then he's only going to get to see one more card if his minraise is just called and if he misses (which he will do most of the time) he is either going to have to continue the semibluff or weakly check OOP on the turn (this applies to any weaker drawing hand too, obviously).

Ok, if this was a $10 or something I'd be saying "People's plays don't necessarily have to make sense" right about now, but I think we have to give the average $50 player some credit here. I think actually it's more likely that he has some sort of made hand and is trying (albeit really badly with the check-minraise) to protect against the straight/flush draw should you have it. Just because you've seen someone slowplay before doesn't mean they're always going to slowplay, and this is not a board (2-flush, 2-broadway) for slowplaying. A lot of slowplayers do like to do silly things like minraise with very strong hands when it's not a good idea too though, because it's their idea of 'protecting against draws' (even though obviously it isn't because you have odds to call with a draw)

I call here and re-evaluate on the turn in position. We can't fold yet because that is just horribly weak in position and with the odds we're getting, and reraising/shoving has no real value attached to it if we think a draw is unlikely. Of course, if you really were for whatever reason convinced draws make up a large portion of villain's range, a reraise/shove isn't so terrible, but I don't see how you can come to that conclusion.

So yeah, call, see what comes and what he does on the turn. It's possible you'll have a tricky decision to make then, but we'll just have to deal with it if and when we're confronted with it. We can at least give him a greater likelihood of having a hand if he follows through with his check-minraise, or perhaps we can represent a draw if a scare card hits and he checks to us - it all obviously depends.
 
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Man you're quick...
So tell me Chris...just how often do you see this screen? :eek:

(And BTW...Thanks for fixing that 'min raise' hole in my game :D )
 

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I cant even remember this hand... im gettin the HH sent to me.. will post it right away
 
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PokerStars Game #8601814654: Tournament #43799671, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit -
Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/24 - 14:23:12 (ET)
Table '43799671 3' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: simon011053 (957 in chips)
Seat 2: frostyc (2675 in chips)
Seat 3: HorstusB (3551 in chips)
Seat 4: popdog60 (3445 in chips)
Seat 5: stlblues22 (3202 in chips)
Seat 6: Brocks11 (1935 in chips)
stlblues22: posts small blind 25
Brocks11: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to popdog60 [Qh Ac]
simon011053: folds
frostyc: folds
HorstusB: folds
popdog60: raises 150 to 200
stlblues22: calls 175
Brocks11: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c Tc Qs]
stlblues22: checks
popdog60: bets 200
HorstusB is sitting out
stlblues22: raises 200 to 400
popdog60: raises 2845 to 3245 and is all-in
stlblues22: calls 2602 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8c Tc Qs] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [8c Tc Qs 3h] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stlblues22: shows [9c Js] (a straight, Nine to King)
popdog60: shows [Qh Ac] (a pair of Queens)
stlblues22 collected 6454 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6454 | Rake 0
Board [8c Tc Qs 3h Ks]
Seat 1: simon011053 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: frostyc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HorstusB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: popdog60 (button) showed [Qh Ac] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: stlblues22 (small blind) showed [9c Js] and won (6454) with a straight,
Nine to King
Seat 6: Brocks11 (big blind) folded before Flop


looking at it now, the push ther was pretty dumb :(
 
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