AKs vs 3-bet, cold call; $3+R

ChuckTs

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Another hand from last night's run.

First 3-bettor is fairly aggressive, though I haven't seen him make any 3-bets yet. He's got to have some sort of a hand here as I've been somewhat tight.

Cold caller is a fish in my book - he's shown down hands like A9 and A8 in pots where he should be holding nothing but AK/QQ+.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t8000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB (t673227)
Hero (t267456)
UTG+1 (t265198)
MP1 (t230757)
MP2 (t82650)
MP3 (t192510)
CO (t495772)
Button (t103642)
SB (t64203)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with
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Hero raises to t22223, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t80000, 5 folds, BB calls t72000, Hero ...

Too much action for our hand or can we get involved here?
 
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23trojan

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Chuch, after seeing this hand, i agree with your decision to fold because although the hand is very good with suited connectors, it still is not worth your tournament life. if i was you, the only hand i go all in with is the nut or close to (trips straight...).
 
ChuckTs

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didn't say I folded...

No one else interested in this one?
 
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AutoArt

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I'm intersted to see what happened. I personally would of kept calling him unless the flop was against me. If it was for me then I would call him until the end and then raise.
 
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Anna Kournikova (Big Slick) is very dangerous hand... but is suited, i play this hand with a first call and all-in with any A or K or 4 of Color on the flop, otherwise check-fold.
 
robwhufc

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MP1 isn't going to fold, i cant see him putting 1/3rd of stack into pot over an UTG re-raise, then folding to a re-reraise. BB does put in some potentially lucrative dead money, but based on your reads, you're more likely to be racing (v lower pair) or well behind MP1 (v AA or KK) than you are to be ahead (v Ace and weaker kicker).

I wouldn't be happy sticking in another 50K chips "just to see" as you could easily hit the flop just hard enough to go bust.

I'd fold.

That's my thought out CC version, if i was actually playing the hand i'd be all-in in a nano-second, trying to punish BB limp.
 
tosborn

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I don't like folding. We are getting 3:1. I think you have enough behind to make the call. If we get rid of the hand postflop then you will have roughly an M of 10 (not sure what the ante's are).

The real question is whether or not to just shove. Basically I would rather be first in. I see BB as dead money around 50% of the time (although they might call wanting to elimanate a player). That leaves MP1, which if they are holding AA or KK then we are probably going to get stacked anyway. I think I get my stack in first and take advantage of what little fold equity we have.
 
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After thinking about it, shoving is the clear option for me.

I'm not sure which is worse - calling or folding - but I don't like either.

Folding: we're only sitting on an M of 14 here, but it'll be even smaller considering the fact that we're late in an MTT, and the tables will start getting shorthanded.

While the aggressive player's reraise seems strong, when you factor in both our table images, we can be facing a much bigger range than you'd expect.

There are arguments for a fold (it's possible we're in a heap of trouble here), but folding AKs at this stage of the game and with our stack size is generally bad without a very good reason to. With this much potential dead money in the pot, we should be happy with coinflipping IMO. I'm too dumb/lazy to do the math right now but I'm sure we have plenty of FE and dead money to back us up.

Calling: is really bad too. vs pairs we won't get paid off at all postflop if we hit a king or ace. Not only that, but the flop most probably won't help our hand, and we'll have coldcalled a 3-bet preflop with AKs OOP for nearly 1/3 of our stack, and check-folded the flop. Sounds just a little weak to me.

Shoving: we do have some FE. A raise utg followed by a 4-bet AI after two people have shown interest does represent a lot of strength, and I'd guess we can fold out JJ from MP1 and possibly AK some of the time. I'm not sure the BB fish is going anywhere, but realistically we don't want him to. He's shown down weak aces several times and could very well have one here.

My only fear is MP1 having like QQ, and BB holding one or more of my outs.

Last reason is that WE''VE GOT PUPPYFEET = INSTAALLINNNN

Results:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t8000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB (t673227)
Hero (t267456)
UTG+1 (t265198)
MP1 (t230757)
MP2 (t82650)
MP3 (t192510)
CO (t495772)
Button (t103642)
SB (t64203)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with
ac.gif
,
kc.gif
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Hero raises to t22223, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t80000, 5 folds, BB calls t72000, Hero raises to t266656, MP1 calls t149957 (All-In), BB calls t186656.

Flop: (t760869)
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(3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t760869)
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(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t760869)
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(3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t760869
Main Pot: t694671 (t694671), between BB, Hero and MP1. > Split: Hero (t347335.50), MP1 (t347335.50).
Pot 2: t66198 (t66198), between BB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (t66198).

BB has Ad 9c (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ac Kc (one pair, aces).
MP1 has As Kh (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins t413533.50. MP1 wins t347335.50.

MP1 thought long and hard about his hand, and called with AK, and BB almost instacalled w/A9o :p
 
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Given the read on BB, then I think it's a clear cut shove. The dead money makes me all too happy to get it in versus QQ or JJ. Plus, there's a chance we'll get called in two places, which makes it ok even if MP1 has KK and BB has JJ or something.
 
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What would've been funny (in a sickening way) if BB woulda hit the 9........
 
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