AK vs two pushes late in tourney

ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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pokerstars GAME #7990576589: TOURNAMENT #40822558, $10+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XI (600/1200) - 2007/01/17 - 20:26:44 (ET)
Table '40822558 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: francishill (16425 in chips)
Seat 2: RS9068 (3830 in chips)
Seat 3: Player627 (7455 in chips)
Seat 8: ChuckTs (12790 in chips)
francishill: posts the ante 75
RS9068: posts the ante 75
Player627: posts the ante 75
ChuckTs: posts the ante 75
RS9068: posts small blind 600
Player627: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Kc Ah]
ChuckTs: raises 2400 to 3600
francishill: raises 12750 to 16350 and is all-in
RS9068: folds
Player627: calls 6180 and is all-in
ChuckTs:......

Wow...ok on to reads: francishill was roughly 30/10 and was making several weird moves once the blinds got big, and player627 was like 32/7 or something like it. He was the big stack until recently; he was very limpey but would make unnecessary pushes and calls with strange hands (34s; push with A5; push with 33).

Anyways I think regardless how weak the push and call both are, this is a fold, no?

p.s. this is a 27-person SnG, and it payed to 5. Top 3 is where the decent money's at (>2x your buyin).
 
Stick66

Stick66

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Auto fold. Versus one all-in, then maybe call. But versus 2, the AK loses its strength and is an underdog to a decent pair, let alone 2.

Besides, one person is about to bust or be crippled. Pick a better spot.
 
withawedge

withawedge

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francishill was roughly 30/10 and was making several weird moves once the blinds got big, and player627 was like 32/7 or something like it

Chuck. What does this mean.

:confused:
 
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alan1983

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Id fold. Re-raise allin by the biggest stack smells trouble, id be happy hes been called 2 get 2 see his cards and see what hes doing. If small stack goes out youve guaranteed 3rd, with one other player with only half your stack too.
 
t1riel

t1riel

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If you call, you are up against two players in an all in showdown. Chances are, at leats one player has one of your outs if the other has a pocket pair. I would fold and let the other two players duke it out.
 
zebranky

zebranky

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Seat 1: francishill (16425 in chips)
Seat 2: RS9068 (3830 in chips)
Seat 3: Player627 (7455 in chips)
Seat 8: ChuckTs (12790 in chips)
francishill: posts the ante 75
RS9068: posts the ante 75
Player627: posts the ante 75
ChuckTs: posts the ante 75
RS9068: posts small blind 600
Player627: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Kc Ah]
ChuckTs: raises 2400 to 3600
francishill: raises 12750 to 16350 and is all-in
RS9068: folds
Player627: calls 6180 and is all-in
ChuckTs:......

Easy fold here. You're late in a SNG, and one of these two probably does have a good hand. There's no need for you to call the only stack that can bust you on AKos. I'm guessing Player627 is only calling here because he's got two decent cards and he might be able to triple up with luck. There's a better than 50-50 chance Player627 will be busted here, and RS9068 is already almost dead because of the blinds. I'm assuming from your post that you're interested in getting decent money back rather than simply winning the SNG, so wait for another chance.
 
ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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Chuck. What does this mean.

:confused:

30% VPIP (Voluntarily put in pot) /10% PFR (Pre-flop Raise)

Sorry wedgey; these are stats that pokertracker or other stat program users would be familiar with. Vintage explains it; they basically give you an idea of how loose/tight/passive or aggressive they are. Next time I'll make it more clear :)

Good responses, guys; I think I agree that folding is the best option, but I smelled weakness from the bigger stack and almost called. I took my whole time bank, and folded. The fourth player also was not only shortstacked, but weak/tight and was an easy blind steal, and my stack was healthy enought that if I'd folded, I could still manage from then on.

Results (yep I was pretty results-oriented here):

POKERSTARS GAME #7990576589: TOURNAMENT #40822558, $10+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XI (600/1200) - 2007/01/17 - 20:26:44 (ET)
Table '40822558 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: francishill (16425 in chips)
Seat 2: RS9068 (3830 in chips)
Seat 3: Player627 (7455 in chips)
Seat 8: ChuckTs (12790 in chips)
francishill: posts the ante 75
RS9068: posts the ante 75
Player627: posts the ante 75
ChuckTs: posts the ante 75
RS9068: posts small blind 600
Player627: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Kc Ah]
ChuckTs: raises 2400 to 3600
francishill: raises 12750 to 16350 and is all-in
RS9068: folds
Player627: calls 6180 and is all-in
ChuckTs: folds
Player627 said, "gg"
ChuckTs said, "ak"
*** FLOP *** [Kd 9h 6c]
*** TURN *** [Kd 9h 6c] 3♣
*** RIVER *** [Kd 9h 6c 3c] 4♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Player627: shows [Qs Kh] (a pair of Kings)
francishill: shows [As Qc] (high card Ace)
Player627 collected 19260 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19260 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 9h 6c 3c 4s]
Seat 1: francishill (button) showed [As Qc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: RS9068 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Player627 (big blind) showed [Qs Kh] and won (19260) with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: ChuckTs folded before Flop

Used my whole time bank and don't ask me why I told them I just folded AK...was just frustrated with my fold :/

EDIT:
I'm assuming from your post that you're interested in getting decent money back rather than simply winning the SNG, so wait for another chance.

Why do you assume this?
 
zebranky

zebranky

Rock Star
EDIT:

Why do you assume this?
because you mentioned that the "good" money was from 3rd place on up. That suggests you care about getting money rather than simply playing to win.
If your main goal is winning, then you should call (because you have a good chance of becoming the dominant chip stack if you win - around 30K with the remaining two players at 6k and 3k). If you are more interested in positive returns on your money long-term - which all serious players should be, IMHO, then you fold, knowing your chances of getting into at least 3rd (and still having a good chance to win) are pretty darn good here.
 
joosebuck

joosebuck

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i was thinking you'd be up against at least one player you had dominated (KJ/AJ/AQ) but the other all in screams low pair and you dont like to see that with one of your outs gone :(
 
mrsnake3695

mrsnake3695

I'm confused
Once again, I will be the desecenting voice here. Of course you have already posted the results but my opinion is consistant with pervious posts of mine. I call here, you have a chance to knock out 2 players (well the big stack won't be knocked out but crippled) and have a huge stack against the remaining players. You are trying to win not just finish in the money. AK is a top 3 or 4 hand (depending on you opinion). You are either up against 2 players with high cards which is a great scenerio for you because the chances are they will be dominated, or 2 pairs or one pair and to high cards which is of course the worst scenerio if the guy with the high cards has one of yours. If they both have pairs (other than KK AA of course) you have just as much chance of catching a king or ace to win against 2 with pairs as against one. If you would be willing to call one all in with AK why not 2. If I have a strong hand I will take these chances to put myself in dominating position to win, sure it's gambling and knocks you out sometimes but the hell with limping into the money, it's all about winning baby.

Francishill's bet reeks of 2 over cards so even if 627 as a pair that holds up you are probably dominating the big stack which gains you chips anyway.
 
PopDog60

PopDog60

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I would have called...you said that player627 was chip leader up till a little while ago, so i would have called, thinking he had a decent hand and was just pissed maybe lookin for a quick double

As for the big stack, i would have called, expecting to see him holding AK AQ or JJ+ , just for the chance to have the huge cheap lead... you can pretty much always justify calling and all in with A K in my opinion.
 
mrsnake3695

mrsnake3695

I'm confused
In my experience online it seems people push with overcards and small pairs most often and slow play large pairs. Sure, 99-QQ might have pushed too but his bet looks like he doesn't want the second chip stack to call, which to me smells of 2 overcards. Also, you are better off pushing overcards to ensure seeing all 5 cards then pairs where it's often better to see the flop and decide what to do then when you see if you'v ehit a set or if there are multible over cards to your pair.

PopDog, I think I love u man, lol.
 
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