AK vs Limp-Raise w/player behind to act

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This is a $8 rebuy satelite to the sunday $215. Villian just won a huge pot with AK vs K10AIPF. The overall table has been somewhat donkish-tight. A lot of the players that get stacked just leave the tournament instead of rebuying.

pokerstars Game #95507383: Tournament #47734668, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/04/22 - 12:03:42 (ET)
Table '47734668 19' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: nobelshogun (1000 in chips)
Seat 2: mischman (4020 in chips)
Seat 3: spiderfrank (3585 in chips)
Seat 4: shawny1980 (1195 in chips)
Seat 5: 430spyder (4200 in chips)
Seat 6: ARNDOR (1220 in chips)
Seat 7: landsmeer (900 in chips)
Seat 8: fjellmann (1930 in chips)
Seat 9: acex2a (970 in chips)
mischman: posts small blind 50
spiderfrank: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Ah Kh]
nobelshogun re-buys and receives 1000 chips for $8.00
shawny1980: folds
430spyder: calls 100
ARNDOR: folds
landsmeer: folds
fjellmann: folds
acex2a: folds
nobelshogun: folds
mischman: raises 300 to 400
spiderfrank: calls 300
430spyder: raises 800 to 1200
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At this point the only info you gave me was that villian is not affraid to gamble. Are you? Is he just feeling you out? Has he decided now was when to change gears, and take control?

AK being the damn fine pf hand that it is (60% to pair by the river) against something likely to be better than JTs ?

So villian is agressive, and will be first to act, giving him the advantage if you dont hit. Irregardless of position. His bet sort of takes all future position advantage away from you.

Keeping in mind the philosophy of survival, I think I might seriously consider laying this down here. The only reasonable option to me here is to shove it all trying to back him down. He has you covered. Not to mention the off possibility that Villian #2, the caller, has something real.

Live to fight another day my friend.......
 
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At this point the only info you gave me was that villian is not affraid to gamble. Where did i say that? AK Vs K10 is gambling?

Is he just feeling you out? By limp re reaising after a player made it 4x and another player called?

Are you? DOnt wanna gamble with AK vs AA/KK

So villian is agressive Where did i say that?

and will be first to act Im first to act after the flop

Keeping in mind the philosophy of survival, I think I might seriously consider laying this down here. The only reasonable option to me here is to shove it all trying to back him down. you really think he will fold if i come over the top given the conditions?



Live to fight another day my friend.......its a rebuy
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Lol, way to tear me a new a**hole for the day.
IN many situations it is clear that many players show a decided UNWILLINGNESS to gamble early on. Granted this is a bit past being early on. Villian is clearly past this unwillingness. Any reraise can easily be construed as agressive. It may be proper but still it is agressive.

I mis read who acted first, advantage remains yours if you only call. Adds weight to my option of shoving to push him out.

You may be real comfortable with the rebuy format. I am not.
 
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Its cool, i really dont think anyone would bluff here given the conditions of a limp, then i raise, then a player calls, then he reraises???

IN many situations it is clear that many players show a decided UNWILLINGNESS to gamble early on. UMMMM, its a pokerstars rebuy, ummmmm

Granted this is a bit past being early on. Still in rebuy period

Villian is clearly past this unwillingness. Is AA/KK/QQ/JJ(?)/AK gambling here
 
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Considering it's a rebuy and there's dead money out here, I think you're probably supposed to shove and go broke if he has AA or KK. Ranges are considerably looser in the rebuy period, he can't put you on a hand that strong.
 
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Considering it's a rebuy and there's dead money out here, I think you're probably supposed to shove and go broke if he has AA or KK. Ranges are considerably looser in the rebuy period, he can't put you on a hand that strong.

i was sitting here reading this thread and was thinking i answered my own question by replying to DJ but then this came up. Im so confused now..........maybe im being results orientated based on how it played out and what the board came.

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Villian is clearly past this unwillingness. Is AA/KK/QQ/JJ(?)/AK gambling here

Every dealt hand is a gamble! Granted you have one of the best gambling hands at this point.
You are off to a fairly good start in this tourney. If it were me, I would proceed much more cautiously than you apparently want to.
Was Villians previous big win his first foray into pot, had he been real tight? The read you provided was non specific, other than he had called with his AK and it held.

I have not said I would not call or shove here, but lately I have been possessed with a survival POV which would favor backing down at this stage in the MTT.
 
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One of the reasons I am not comfortable with the ReBuy format is that it has given me an opportunity to compound my bad play resulting in relosing even more.

Lose it once, Rebuy,then lose it again!!!!!
 
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Villian is clearly past this unwillingness. Is AA/KK/QQ/JJ(?)/AK gambling here

Every dealt hand is a gamble! Not sure what this means. But this is NOT AK vs a random hand

Granted you have one of the best gambling hands at this point. Comapred to.....villian is he has AA? Ill pass on that gamble

You are off to a fairly good start in this tourney. Thanks


Was Villians previous big win his first foray into pot, had he been real tight? The read you provided was non specific, other than he had called with his AK and it held. Sorry my read wasnt good, but I cant give you what i dont have. He hasNT been overly lose/limpish/raising. Hes been playing normal for the most part. Yes the last hand(AK vs K10) was his first 'big' pot

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With such sketchy read info on Villian, what hands can you put him on here? According to you, AK being what it is, he has only shown you that he values premium hands. OK, so you have to put him on a premium hand.

His AK may have been the beginning of his rush. There must be something to the rush concept, it has poker nomenclature.

My tendancy here is still to lay this one down, consider it a sacrifice to the poker gods. I would remember it for sure, but would not feel guilty or bad even if he showed me 72o. I would note that this guy may be ripe for a meta game whooping. I might back down a couple more times after he reraises me. By that time he figures he's got me pegged, that I won't stand up. When I do stand up, I know he will be the worst for it most of the time.

PS.. 10 minutes later..... I did just notice villian had limped in. Had I noticed it earlier, I think I might have leaned toward the shove much more. Please excuse me as this morning I am suffering a severe caffeine deficiency.
 
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Not sure what his limp/reraise means, but I don't like a call here, its either fold or shove. I'm more for the latter, even if I agree with you that given the conditions he won't fold. But that's just it, the tourney is still in the rebuy period and he very likely made a loose reraise. I think in % that is more probable than him having AA or KK, the only hands where you are a serious dog. This line of thought would be much different if it weren't a rebuy, but being what it is I would shove.
 
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Considering it's a rebuy and there's dead money out here, I think you're probably supposed to shove and go broke if he has AA or KK. Ranges are considerably looser in the rebuy period, he can't put you on a hand that strong.


this. im assuming you're willing to gamble since you're playing the rebuy. i just shove and expect villian to flip a pair. keep in mind low-medium pairs can take this line too in an aggressive villian.
 
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