PokerStars Game #11226602586: Tournament #56950577, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/07/30 - 21:47:27 (ET)
Table '56950577 5' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: cairo888 (10735 in chips)
Seat 2: cr1ggp (6340 in chips)
Seat 3: easyrider56 (3650 in chips)
Seat 4: IHateFolding (1755 in chips)
Seat 5: dannydizzan (7668 in chips)
Seat 6: giarre (4650 in chips)
Seat 7: PokerManiajp (3060 in chips)
Seat 8: Dipper1965 (1100 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: ACEHOLEWON (3785 in chips)
giarre: posts small blind 50
PokerManiajp: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to giarre [Ks Ac]
Dipper1965: folds
ACEHOLEWON: raises 200 to 300
cairo888: raises 200 to 500
cr1ggp: folds
easyrider56: folds
IHateFolding: folds
dannydizzan: folds
giarre: folds
PokerManiajp: folds
ACEHOLEWON: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [5h Qh 7c]
ACEHOLEWON: checks
cairo888: bets 500
ACEHOLEWON: folds
cairo888 collected 1150 from pot
cairo888: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1150 | Rake 0
Board [5h Qh 7c]
Seat 1: cairo888 collected (1150)
Seat 2: cr1ggp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: easyrider56 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: IHateFolding folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dannydizzan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: giarre (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: PokerManiajp (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Dipper1965 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ACEHOLEWON folded on the Flop
I did fold. The reason I posted is because I kind questioned my decision, thinking it was a bit weak. I agree with Rob that sometimes its amazing to look at what hands people raise with in EP, but the minreraise is usually dangerous and a bad sign. Although there are no reads and the big stack could just be messing around, his reraise is clearly screaming for a call. I think best case scenario its QQ, worst is AA or KK. I don't think jacks or less would do this, neither would AK; those hands IMO would make a bigger, isolating reraise. At least that's what I would do.
Of course its only a $4 donkament, so if this range is wrong I wouldn't be shocked. Because of that, those who suggest to call are maybe not totally out of line. The one thing we know for sure is that if we call, we will not see more than 3 cards if we miss the flop. Considering AK hits the flop 34% of the time, the
odds for calling here are good, we're getting better than 3 to 1. However, we need to consider also:
1) the chance that UTG +1 reraises or shoves, as mentioned by Chris, then what do we do? Our call doesn't close action, and that needs to be reminded.
2) if a K hits the flop, how sure are we that we're ahead?
Other options are reraising or shoving. The reraise, again pointed out by Chris, puts me dangerously close to getting pot committed and most of all it won't serve the purpose of taking the pot down there, you're either getting called by one or even both, which is terrible being OOP and you
KNOW you need help from the flop. Also, someone could shove back and I would have to call knowing that, best case scenario, I'm flipping. The other option, shoving, is horrible IMO considering I have 46 BB's and this pot has been raised and reraised by EP players.
All this, plus that bad feeling I always get with minreraises, made me fold.
Unfortunately the way the hand played out I'll never know what villains had (sorry Ron
), but I posted because I wanted to know what you guys would have done PF.
@Wolfpack: you may be right that we're overthinking, but at best you can only call this because a reraise, in order to be relevant or informative as you say, and given the action up to that point, would need to be close to 2k. That amount gets you close to being committed and you have to act OOP. It's not an ideal move. But I won't argue a call if you like it. I folded but I don't think a call is necessarily a bad move.
Thanks to all for your comments.