Acceptable Plays?

[xx_Stevey_xx]

full tilt poker Game #4210521178: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (31951478), Table 4 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:14:23 ET - 2007/11/17
Seat 1: Xx_SteveY_xX (1,730)
Seat 2: ColoradoKevin (3,765)
Seat 3: AAA8806 (3,287)
Seat 4: dba_special (6,965)
Seat 5: innercrew (3,140)
Seat 6: screepy1 (6,685)
Seat 7: Hayesinadaze (3,410)
Seat 8: big-boss-baby07 (4,250)
Seat 9: TheTrojan01 (3,710)
TheTrojan01 posts the small blind of 80
Xx_SteveY_xX posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Xx_SteveY_xX [4s 6s]
ColoradoKevin folds
AAA8806 has 15 seconds left to act
AAA8806 folds
dba_special folds
innercrew calls 160
screepy1 folds
Hayesinadaze calls 160
big-boss-baby07 calls 160
TheTrojan01 calls 80
Xx_SteveY_xX checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh 2d 6d]
TheTrojan01 checks
Xx_SteveY_xX checks
innercrew checks
Hayesinadaze checks
big-boss-baby07 checks
*** TURN *** [Qh 2d 6d] [6h]
TheTrojan01 checks
Xx_SteveY_xX bets 800
innercrew folds
Hayesinadaze folds
big-boss-baby07 folds
TheTrojan01 folds
Uncalled bet of 800 returned to Xx_SteveY_xX
Xx_SteveY_xX mucks
Xx_SteveY_xX wins the pot (800)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 800 | Rake 0
Board: [Qh 2d 6d 6h]
Seat 1: Xx_SteveY_xX (big blind) collected (800), mucked
Seat 2: ColoradoKevin didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: AAA8806 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: dba_special didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: innercrew folded on the Turn
Seat 6: screepy1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Hayesinadaze folded on the Turn
Seat 8: big-boss-baby07 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: TheTrojan01 (small blind) folded on the Turn

Full Tilt poker game #4210544864: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (31951478), Table 4 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:16:33 ET - 2007/11/17
Seat 1: Xx_SteveY_xX (3,170)
Seat 2: ColoradoKevin (3,525)
Seat 3: AAA8806 (3,127)
Seat 4: dba_special (6,965)
Seat 5: innercrew (2,660)
Seat 6: screepy1 (6,365)
Seat 7: Hayesinadaze (3,250)
Seat 8: big-boss-baby07 (4,090)
Seat 9: TheTrojan01 (3,790)
AAA8806 posts the small blind of 80
dba_special posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Xx_SteveY_xX [6h 6c]
innercrew raises to 320
screepy1 calls 320
Hayesinadaze folds
big-boss-baby07 folds
TheTrojan01 folds
Xx_SteveY_xX raises to 3,170, and is all in
ColoradoKevin folds
AAA8806 folds
dba_special folds
innercrew calls 2,340, and is all in
screepy1 folds
Xx_SteveY_xX shows [6h 6c]
innercrew shows [Kh Ks]
Uncalled bet of 510 returned to Xx_SteveY_xX
*** FLOP *** [As Ts 3s]
*** TURN *** [As Ts 3s] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [As Ts 3s Qh] [7h]
Xx_SteveY_xX shows a pair of Sixes
innercrew shows a pair of Kings
innercrew wins the pot (5,880) with a pair of Kings
Xx_SteveY_xX: sigh
The blinds are now 100/200
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,880 | Rake 0
Board: [As Ts 3s Qh 7h]
Seat 1: Xx_SteveY_xX showed [6h 6c] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 2: ColoradoKevin (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: AAA8806 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: dba_special (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: innercrew showed [Kh Ks] and won (5,880) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: screepy1 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Hayesinadaze didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: big-boss-baby07 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: TheTrojan01 didn't bet (folded)


You guys push these fold these or just call these?

 

[Kenzie 96]

probably just call with the pocket 6's given you stack size & the early position raise & call from big stack.

 

[bw07507]

2nd hand just fold, u dont want to be calling off 1/10 of your stack to try to hit a set and i dont understand why the push. The minraise could mean absolutely anything and you have ~20 BBs left. Theres no reason to push there with 66.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

#1 - fine

#2 - I probably just call preflop, or perhaps fold. I think with a minraise and a call in front and the likelihood that the big stacked BB will tag along with almost any two cards we can just about play this for set value, but it's marginal. I'd rather fold than shove - the average player's UTG raising (even minraising) range has 66 absolutely crushed.

 

[dj11]

#1. I would play to keep others interested here, maybe bet only 200, perhaps even check raise.

#2 with small pockets, you really are only playing 5 card hands, if you don't hit on the flop, you should usually back down. A min raise can sometimes get others to reconsider a stone cold semi bluff, but nothing more.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

#1. I would play to keep others interested here, maybe bet only 200, perhaps even check raise.

There are two flush draws on the board by the turn - do we really want to (a) risk giving a free card or (b) give anyone with a draw odds to call a small turn bet?

Probably 2/3-3/4 pot would be optimal in most cases, but I have no problem with a PSB either - it's pretty table dependent.

 

[joeeagles]

Second hand, I'm not too crazy about the push vs a minraiser and a caller. If it were only the minraiser I wouldn't mind it as much because many times this move will work. You just happened to run into KK but anything below AK is forced to fold to that push, although you have to consider that minraiser is UTG so you really have to have a good reason to push even if there were no callers. Against UTG minraiser and UTG+1 caller, the chances of this working are very slim and make me hate the push.

Flat calling and playing it for set value is probably not terrible although borderline since its 1/10th of your stack, but its reasonable to see this going 4-way at least so you could try it. In order to make that call you need to have a good feel for the table, because you have 3 players left to act so if you think one of them is capable to come over the top in an attempt to take the dead money then you should fold without hesitating.

The first hand is ok. You do have 3 players left to act so you could check and hope someone tries to steal it since the pot is 800 so its well worth a stab, and usually some LP player will do it, but in the same time there are now 2 flush draws and if it checks around in a 5-way hand the chance of losing the pot is high. Betting and not giving any free cards is the way to go IMO. It kind of announces that you have a 6, but if they all fold it's ok because it's better to win a medium pot rather than losing a big pot and the chance of that happening is high enough that you have to protect your hand by making them draw incorrectly.