AA on monosuit 3 to broadway flop (2 scenarios)

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switch0723

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sample size on villain to small for any significance. Ive put in 2 scenarios to see what our action is dependant on both. The first hand is what happened, the 2nd hand is a 'what if????' situation

pokerstars Game #17289825830: Tournament #87628005, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/05/08 - 15:25:10 (ET)
Table '87628005 17' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: akamilhaus (2425 in chips)
Seat 2: BodeMaster (2030 in chips)
Seat 3: guix83 (4230 in chips)
Seat 4: switch0723 (2985 in chips)
Seat 5: xxxMac79xxx (4830 in chips)
Seat 7: DickE04 (1320 in chips)
Seat 8: kingsize1972 (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: SarKur (3010 in chips) is sitting out
BodeMaster: posts small blind 50
guix83: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to switch0723 [Ah Ac]
switch0723: raises 300 to 400
xxxMac79xxx: folds
SarKur is disconnected
DickE04: folds
kingsize1972: folds
SarKur: folds
akamilhaus: folds
BodeMaster: calls 350
guix83: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs Js Ks]
BodeMaster: checks
switch0723: ??????????

Do we check behind or bet, if bet, why?

PokerStars Game #17289825830: Tournament #87628005, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/05/08 - 15:25:10 (ET)
Table '87628005 17' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: akamilhaus (2425 in chips)
Seat 2: BodeMaster (2030 in chips)
Seat 3: guix83 (4230 in chips)
Seat 4: switch0723 (2985 in chips)
Seat 5: xxxMac79xxx (4830 in chips)
Seat 7: DickE04 (1320 in chips)
Seat 8: kingsize1972 (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: SarKur (3010 in chips) is sitting out
BodeMaster: posts small blind 50
guix83: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to switch0723 [Ah Ac]
switch0723: raises 300 to 400
xxxMac79xxx: folds
SarKur is disconnected
DickE04: folds
kingsize1972: folds
SarKur: folds
akamilhaus: folds
BodeMaster: calls 350
guix83: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs Js Ks]
BodeMaster: Pushes all in for whatever, about 1.5k
switch0723:??????
 
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Situation 1- Raise to a pot size bet and be ready to let it go if he check raises. If he calls the Flop bet shut it down and re-evalute street by street.

Situation 2 - Fold and he is bluffing so be it.
 
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Situation 1- Raise to a pot size bet and be ready to let it go if he check raises. If he calls the Flop bet shut it down and re-evalute street by street.

If he made a pot raise of 900 and the villain came over the top all in would you really let it got after you committed all those ships to the pot? I think maybe bet half the pot and then if he goes all in then let it go.

On the 2.. i would fold...
 
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Yes I would, I am not saying I am right. But I would still have an M of about 8. The reason I bet so big in this spot is too find out for sure (as best I can) where I am. A half size pot bet on such a drawy board is inviting someone to call even without the odds and I would still not feel confident about where I stood in the hand. A 3/4 bet might do the same but that is only going to save 150 chips. If I get check raised and I have to fold I would make a note of it and go on.

I don't want to stack off with just an over pair in this spot. Sure if you win you look like a hero and if you lose you will be kicking yourself for not believing that they have it.
 
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I would def have bet on the flop. Thats a scary flop for anyone that doesn't have spades. You represented strength, he called, he could have a medium pair. You have to make a bet on that flop and see what happens. I wouldn't want to put too many chips in.

An over bet shows that your protecting a pair, or two pair. I would have made a normal continuation bet and gone from there, A raise is a fold.
 
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I agree and disagree, lol. I'd bet out for sure (to see where I'm at in the hand) but don't think I'd go quite 'pot-sized'. On the one hand, I need to bet out enough to discover where I'm at but on the other hand, I may just want to bet out in a way that would represent that I am already holding the nuts here. Phil Gordon's approach,... bet out 2/3pot (as this is what he would do if he were holding 2spades at the time).
Alot depends on who my opponent is. Another thing, in the micro buy-ins I find it to be usually a better idea to keep it simple (unfortunately), be ready to just let it go, stick to gettin' your money in the pot when you're sure your hand is strong, then bet for value (can be boring but seems to work much better in low buy-in tourneys online).
 
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Second one's an easy fold (it's a set more often than not imo, once in a while you may see it from an idiot with AK), first one is really ugly. Actually looking at stack sizes it's not so ugly. I bet out here, figuring almost no bluff is check-raising this, so easy fold if we get raised. If we get called we pretty much shut down to any bet unless we get a river bet after we checked, then I'm not sure what I'd do lol, probably just cry and let myself time out fold.
 
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cheers guys

I ended up checking behind, then betting rag turn and taking it down then but had a feeling i should have bet flop
 
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2. Fold

1. I would be half-pot
- If you bet pot he'll surely know you don't have a flush
- If you bet 1/2 pot and he re-raises, you can easily fold
- If he calls, then you can put him on a draw and see the turn card. If he hits, it's an easy check/fold. Otherwise you can bet 1/3 pot, if he smooth-call, then check/fold river. Overall it's slightly more expensive than betting pot earlier (1,000 vs. 800) but you can extract more information
 
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