A8 on monocolor A8x high flop facing check raise shove

BelgoSuisse

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Should I fold/raise preflop? Should I call the check raise?

Stacks:

* SB with 1795
* BB with 1170
* UTG with 1595
* MP1 with 1885
* MP2 with 2820
* CO with 1310
* BTN with 2925

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Blinds: 40/80
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to BTN:A♦ 8♦
* * Sklansky group 5
Preflop:
* * 2 players fold.
* * MP2 raises to 222
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero calls [222]
* * 2 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 5
* * Potsize: 564
Flop:
* * 7♠ 8♠ A♠
* * MP2 checks
* * Hero bets [480]
* * 2 players fold.
* * MP2 raises to 2,598, and is all in
* * Hero calls [2,118]


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benevg

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i'd call this every day, twice on some days. put him on AK, possibly with one spade. the other option would be a set, but that would be too bad. :)

i guess you lost the hand to post it here? oh well.
 
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I call this too. Doubt that a made flush would overbet like this since it would be pretty hard to put you on 2P and if he does have the flush you still have 4 outs.
 
BelgoSuisse

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i'd call this every day, twice on some days. put him on AK, possibly with one spade. the other option would be a set, but that would be too bad. :)

i guess you lost the hand to post it here? oh well.

Wow, you're good, benevg. He did have AK with the king of spade. Turn was a K and I lost.

Anyway, I think the call was a good one too (I was 55% to win), but I a have problem with the overall play as I ended coin fliping at a stage of the SNG where I was in no way needing to, being chipleader. Of course if I win the coinflip I'm a huge chipleader, but I do wonder if folding preflop would not have been wiser. No need to fight the 2nd biggest stack at this stage.
 
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Missed that you called the raise preflop w/ A8s, I'd agree that a fold would have been better here.
 
F Paulsson

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I'm not thrilled about your preflop call. The stacks aren't deep enough (only about 40BB, or so?) to make the suitedness of your hand worth it, and against a raiser, you're often dominated.
 
dweezel

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I'm guessing he had an ace and the King of spades. Top pair and the nut flush draw. I would have folded to his overbet .... but thats just me. Flopping two pair always seems to make my chips move to another part of the table after the river.
 
dweezel

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answer came out before I hit the button .....Sorry
 
benevg

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oh, i totally forgot to address the first part of the questions... really, calling pre-flop wasn't the best line out there; with 7 people still in the SnG, you could totally afford to fold and wait for a better time. as FP said, you are dominated a little too often. :-/

but after the flop, i think nobody can blame you for what you did.
 
SeanyJ

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I agree that this is a fold preflop but as played I"m stacking off on that flop pretty much all of the time unless I have some kind of sick read on the guy.
 
KyleJRM

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If you can't stack off on that flop, you shouldn't play it pre-flop.
 
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