Is this a Cooler??

[ratbat615]

pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 - 9 players
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crazypopo89 (UTG): 3,026 (30 bb)
macfloyd1981 (UTG+1): 2,625 (26 bb)
cwdignus (MP): 2,625 (26 bb)
IronMike9801 (MP+1): 1,622 (16 bb)
kalitox88 (LP): 3,488 (35 bb)
ratbat615 (CO): 4,811 (48 bb)
JP35001 (BU): 2,625 (26 bb)
Gallarado777 (SB): 9,537 (95 bb)
chiquillo67 (BB): 6,600 (66 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (ratbat615) is CO with T♣ Q♥
5 players fold, ratbat615 (CO) raises to 300, 2 players fold, chiquillo67 (BB) calls 200

Flop: (650) T♥ 7♥ 6♦ (2 players)
chiquillo67 (BB) checks, ratbat615 (CO) bets 325, chiquillo67 (BB) raises to 6,300 (all-in), ratbat615 (CO) calls 4,186 (all-in)

Turn: (9,672) 8♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (9,672) 4♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 9,672

Showdown:
chiquillo67 (BB) shows 6♣ 7♦ (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 36%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 60%, River: 100%)

ratbat615 (CO) shows T♣ Q♥ (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 64%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 40%, River: 0%)

chiquillo67 (BB) wins 9,672

 

[rock0001]

no, q10 isnt that strong in this spot, because you are losing against hands like A10 , K10, 89, jacks or a better pair and any double pair. a good example of a cooler would be a higher set vs a lower set, a higher double pair vs a lower double pair or for example in this situation with a 10 7 6 board if you had a pair of 66, 77 or 10 10 if villain had 89 that would also be considered a cooler.

 

[makisaa]

You followed an all-in with high risk because you had only a pair, against the two pairs of your opponent, both from the flop. I think more that you payed that all-in with 10Q! It was a suicide of your stack!

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
With these stack sizes a 3BB open is pretty large. My default with 25-50BB is 2,5BB.

Flop
Its a very wet and connected board, but even so you are still far ahead of his range, so I would also C-bet here most of the time. However when he check-jam, I think, you can get away. Even if he is semi-bluffing with some kind of big draw, you are not doing better than flipping, and when he is doing this for value, you are always behind and sometimes drawing nearly dead. So unless I knew, this opponent was a total maniac, I would fold and live to fight another day. Its different, if you started the hand with 24BB rather than 48BB. Then I would call it a set-up or cooler, but for this stack size I think, you overplayed your hand.

 

[Igor Popadyk]

I think the opening is pretty loose, plus what hands do you think he's shoving? at best it's some kind of straight or flush draw for you, so most of the time the coin

 

[ratbat615]

no, q10 isnt that strong in this spot, because you are losing against hands like A10 , K10, 89, jacks or a better pair and any double pair. a good example of a cooler would be a higher set vs a lower set, a higher double pair vs a lower double pair or for example in this situation with a 10 7 6 board if you had a pair of 66, 77 or 10 10 if villain had 89 that would also be considered a cooler.

When the villain 🦹‍♀️ re raise me I know I was beat but my phone was Dying and I was trying to Double up to go charge it Shouldn’t be playing but at least I wasn’t drawing ✍️ dead 💀 it was all most a coin 🪙 flip on the turn.

 

[ratbat615]

You followed an all-in with high risk because you had only a pair, against the two pairs of your opponent, both from the flop. I think more that you payed that all-in with 10Q! It was a suicide of your stack!

I agree ☝️

 

[steve01991]

i learn something new everyday! Never new the term cooler before.

 

[ratbat615]

Preflop
With these stack sizes a 3BB open is pretty large. My default with 25-50BB is 2,5BB.

Flop
Its a very wet and connected board, but even so you are still far ahead of his range, so I would also C-bet here most of the time. However when he check-jam, I think, you can get away. Even if he is semi-bluffing with some kind of big draw, you are not doing better than flipping, and when he is doing this for value, you are always behind and sometimes drawing nearly dead. So unless I knew, this opponent was a total maniac, I would fold and live to fight another day. Its different, if you started the hand with 24BB rather than 48BB. Then I would call it a set-up or cooler, but for this stack size I think, you overplayed your hand.

That was my thoughts 💭 I agree ☝️ I was playing too aggressive and I was blocking hearts ♥️ But when he raised %100 I knew I was beat but at least I wasn’t drawing ✍️ dead 💀.

 

[ratbat615]

Preflop
With these stack sizes a 3BB open is pretty large. My default with 25-50BB is 2,5BB.

Flop
Its a very wet and connected board, but even so you are still far ahead of his range, so I would also C-bet here most of the time. However when he check-jam, I think, you can get away. Even if he is semi-bluffing with some kind of big draw, you are not doing better than flipping, and when he is doing this for value, you are always behind and sometimes drawing nearly dead. So unless I knew, this opponent was a total maniac, I would fold and live to fight another day. Its different, if you started the hand with 24BB rather than 48BB. Then I would call it a set-up or cooler, but for this stack size I think, you overplayed your hand.

Totally 💯

 

[vardann]

approximately played the way I play, it means that it's bad, very bad, especially since he pushes the chips

there he has two pairs, a straight or a flush draw at least, or a dozen with a good kicker, 10 K, 10 A

 

[ratbat615]

Maybe 🤔 it’s just karma
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 15/30 - 9 players
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Comboss599 (UTG): 3,295 (110 bb)
bbabuska001 (UTG+1): 2,970 (99 bb)
ionutsamoila69 (MP): 3,940 (131 bb)
8Alfa8 (MP+1): 3,245 (108 bb)
vardann1 (LP): 3,075 (103 bb)
XXSERGIO48XX (CO): 3,835 (128 bb)
ga25x (BU): 2,470 (82 bb)
Eng Ramos SP (SB): 1,015 (34 bb)
ratbat615 (BB): 3,155 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: (45) Hero (ratbat615) is BB with 7♣ 6♠
2 players fold, ionutsamoila69 (MP) calls 30, 1 fold, vardann1 (LP) raises to 135, 3 players fold, ratbat615 (BB) calls 105, ionutsamoila69 (MP) calls 105

Flop: (420) 5♠ 4♣ T♦ (3 players)
ratbat615 (BB) checks, ionutsamoila69 (MP) checks, vardann1 (LP) checks

Turn: (420) J♦ (3 players)
ratbat615 (BB) bets 210, ionutsamoila69 (MP) folds, vardann1 (LP) calls 210

River: (840) 9♦ (2 players)
ratbat615 (BB) bets 420, vardann1 (LP) folds

Total pot: 840
ratbat615 (BB) wins 840

 

[Syltan]

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 - 9 players
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crazypopo89 (UTG): 3,026 (30 bb)
macfloyd1981 (UTG+1): 2,625 (26 bb)
cwdignus (MP): 2,625 (26 bb)
IronMike9801 (MP+1): 1,622 (16 bb)
kalitox88 (LP): 3,488 (35 bb)
ratbat615 (CO): 4,811 (48 bb)
JP35001 (BU): 2,625 (26 bb)
Gallarado777 (SB): 9,537 (95 bb)
chiquillo67 (BB): 6,600 (66 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (ratbat615) is CO with T♣ Q♥
5 players fold, ratbat615 (CO) raises to 300, 2 players fold, chiquillo67 (BB) calls 200

Flop: (650) T♥ 7♥ 6♦ (2 players)
chiquillo67 (BB) checks, ratbat615 (CO) bets 325, chiquillo67 (BB) raises to 6,300 (all-in), ratbat615 (CO) calls 4,186 (all-in)

Turn: (9,672) 8♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (9,672) 4♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 9,672

Showdown:
chiquillo67 (BB) shows 6♣ 7♦ (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 36%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 60%, River: 100%)

ratbat615 (CO) shows T♣ Q♥ (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 64%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 40%, River: 0%)

chiquillo67 (BB) wins 9,672

You just made a bad call, this action can be justified by dynamics or notes on the opponent, if you made a mistake in a vacuum. You know how they say any action in poker can beat right, it is important how often you do it)

 

[ratbat615]

I think the opening is pretty loose, plus what hands do you think he's shoving? at best it's some kind of straight or flush draw for you, so most of the time the coin

I agree ☝️

 

[Station_Master]

The opening the hand is fine but 3x is way too large, probably want to be more like 2.3 x with those stack sizes. That would also make it easier to fold on the flop when your opponent megaphone that they have 2 pair or better. I think this a losing call, especially as there are possible straight available too, best case scenario your opponent has a flush draw but even then you are only slightly ahead

 

[eetenor]

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 - 9 players
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crazypopo89 (UTG): 3,026 (30 bb)
macfloyd1981 (UTG+1): 2,625 (26 bb)
cwdignus (MP): 2,625 (26 bb)
IronMike9801 (MP+1): 1,622 (16 bb)
kalitox88 (LP): 3,488 (35 bb)
ratbat615 (CO): 4,811 (48 bb)
JP35001 (BU): 2,625 (26 bb)
Gallarado777 (SB): 9,537 (95 bb)
chiquillo67 (BB): 6,600 (66 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (ratbat615) is CO with T♣ Q♥
5 players fold, ratbat615 (CO) raises to 300, 2 players fold, chiquillo67 (BB) calls 200

Flop: (650) T♥ 7♥ 6♦ (2 players)
chiquillo67 (BB) checks, ratbat615 (CO) bets 325, chiquillo67 (BB) raises to 6,300 (all-in), ratbat615 (CO) calls 4,186 (all-in)

Turn: (9,672) 8♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (9,672) 4♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 9,672

Showdown:
chiquillo67 (BB) shows 6♣ 7♦ (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 36%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 60%, River: 100%)

ratbat615 (CO) shows T♣ Q♥ (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 64%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 40%, River: 0%)

chiquillo67 (BB) wins 9,672

The definition of a cooler is when we have a really strong near nut hand and our Villain has a stronger hand either preflop or on the flop
so if we flop a straight and the V flops a better straight that would be a cooler-or we flop the nut high flush and V flops straight flush
set over set is a cooler
As a study exercise you may wish to list all the better hands than QT that the BB could have on this flop-not considering the shove-then think about which of those the V would shove -

 

[Jerlim]

The villain is in the BB, he will have a very wide range, the "check" could indeed be a check-rise in an attempt to attract him to the bet, the All in was not a good move in my opinion, because if he does he has a weak hand he runs away, calling only with a top pair or a pair of hands, I would hardly call with a pair of hands not over, unless I'm short and need to risk, but I wouldn't bet that way either

 

[HeiligerKevin]

no, q10 isnt that strong in this spot, because you are losing against hands like A10 , K10, 89, jacks or a better pair and any double pair. a good example of a cooler would be a higher set vs a lower set, a higher double pair vs a lower double pair or for example in this situation with a 10 7 6 board if you had a pair of 66, 77 or 10 10 if villain had 89 that would also be considered a cooler.

I also think that it is not a cooler, but the opponent doesn't have JJ+ and often A10 in his range since there would nearly everytime be an 3-bet (except some A10o). After the c-bet and the jam you probably could rule out A10 (since I don't think they would jam it, but more often just call or reraise) and of course every middle and bottom pair. So at this point the opponent has him beat or bluff-catching. But his line looked so strong that even a bluff seems pretty unlikely.

 

[Tigroslav]

You should of folded to his all in.
You're up against that exact hand (76) almost always when he does that.
T7 or T6 the other times.

 

[MK_]

A cooler is both players having such great hands they can't lay it down..., for example pocket Kings versus pocket Aces would be a cooler, this is not a cooler

 

[Matt_Burns88]

A cooler, or a set up, is when both players have very strong hand but someone has to win, like a set over set situation, or straight flush over nut flush. No one really makes a mistake, but someone's got to lose. Top pair average kicker getting beaten by two pair on a straighty, flushy board is virtually the opposite of a cooler.

 

[fundiver199]

Top pair average kicker getting beaten by two pair on a straighty, flushy board is virtually the opposite of a cooler.

It does depend on the stack size though. If stacks were like half as deep as this, then its much more likely, that Villain goes with one pair hands, which QT is actually ahead off. Like JT, T9, T8, 99, 88, A7 and so on and so forth. And then QT is good enough to get it in on the flop. But this deep those hands are just going to call a C-bet, unless the Villain is a complete maniac. Which then leave made hands, that QT lose to, and big draws, which QT is flipping against. And of course the price is worse as well.

 

[Matt_Burns88]

It does depend on the stack size though. If stacks were like half as deep as this, then its much more likely, that Villain goes with one pair hands, which QT is actually ahead off. Like JT, T9, T8, 99, 88, A7 and so on and so forth. And then QT is good enough to get it in on the flop. But this deep those hands are just going to call a C-bet, unless the Villain is a complete maniac. Which then leave made hands, that QT lose to, and big draws, which QT is flipping against. And of course the price is worse as well.

Yes, that is true. I did mean about this particular spot.

 

[rock0001]

When the villain 🦹‍♀️ re raise me I know I was beat but my phone was Dying and I was trying to Double up to go charge it Shouldn’t be playing but at least I wasn’t drawing ✍️ dead 💀 it was all most a coin 🪙 flip on the turn.

but you only had 30% odds of winning at the moment you call his shove. so while i dont think its a terrible call because villain could also had hands like 88, 99, or maybe j10 or 10 9 i still think its a risky call and definitely not a cooler.

 

[rock0001]

I also think that it is not a cooler, but the opponent doesn't have JJ+ and often A10 in his range since there would nearly everytime be an 3-bet (except some A10o). After the c-bet and the jam you probably could rule out A10 (since I don't think they would jam it, but more often just call or reraise) and of course every middle and bottom pair. So at this point the opponent has him beat or bluff-catching. But his line looked so strong that even a bluff seems pretty unlikely.

maybe bb was slowplaying jacks or better to induce postflop action by check raising postflop or to hide the strenght of his hand. in most cases that would not happen but its not impossible to assume that. i also disagree with ruling out shoving with A10 because in this spot going all in with top pair top kicker to avoid any jack, queen, king or heart on the turn isnt a bad play at all considering his remaining chipstack ( 41.86 bb left)