$8+r, in good stead to cash big obv.. then:

jaketrevvor

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Is there a way I can avoid this? fwiw 200 ppl left, 144 places paid im in with no rebuys or addons and was sitting somewhere in 15th-20th (<--- mad, mad skills):

pokerstars Game #15949521632: Tournament #80160279, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2008/03/13 - 12:45:26 (ET)
Table '80160279 98' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: dgc007 (14170 in chips)
Seat 2: BorkBorkBork (21655 in chips)
Seat 3: thaikobe (22715 in chips)
Seat 4: gphig (44050 in chips)
Seat 5: bananazi (67087 in chips)
Seat 6: DrRolf (11685 in chips)
Seat 7: jaketrevvor (60268 in chips)
Seat 8: xPlatinchenx (12225 in chips)
Seat 9: Armstrong317 (17390 in chips)
dgc007: posts the ante 100
BorkBorkBork: posts the ante 100
thaikobe: posts the ante 100
gphig: posts the ante 100
bananazi: posts the ante 100
DrRolf: posts the ante 100
jaketrevvor: posts the ante 100
xPlatinchenx: posts the ante 100
Armstrong317: posts the ante 100
DrRolf: posts small blind 500
jaketrevvor: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jaketrevvor [Qh 9d]
xPlatinchenx: folds
Armstrong317: folds
dgc007: folds
BorkBorkBork: folds
thaikobe: folds
gphig: folds
bananazi: raises 2000 to 3000
DrRolf: folds
jaketrevvor: calls 2000
Almost 3 to 1 vs a button range + uberimplied odds vs loose big stack, standard call imo.
*** FLOP *** [8h 6s 7h]
jaketrevvor: checks
bananazi: bets 8000
jaketrevvor: raises 12000 to 20000
bananazi: raises 43987 to 63987 and is all-in
jaketrevvor: calls 37168 and is all-in
Way priced in vs this vil's range where my Q and 9 are good a lot of the time.
*** TURN *** [8h 6s 7h] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [8h 6s 7h Kc] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jaketrevvor: shows [Qh 9d] (high card King)
bananazi: shows [7c Ad] (a pair of Sevens)
bananazi collected 121736 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 121736 | Rake 0
Board [8h 6s 7h Kc Js]
Seat 1: dgc007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BorkBorkBork folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: thaikobe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gphig folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bananazi (button) showed [7c Ad] and won (121736) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 6: DrRolf (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: jaketrevvor (big blind) showed [Qh 9d] and lost with high card King
Seat 8: xPlatinchenx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Armstrong317 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



I figured based on vil reads that if i bet out on the flop I'd get raised a lot of the time, get priced in then get forced to lay down on the turn when my straight or w/e didn't fill - so that line seems v. weak. I guess I thought c/ring as opposed to c/cing would chase a lot of overs away which made up a substantial part of his range obv, i dno.... thoughts? post gogogo
 
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Why are we raising the flop though? we're telling him we're willing to play for stacks, why gamble when we're so comfortable?

Even with reads you're sitting too comfortably to play with him with Q9o while oop, I'd've gotten away pf, and definitely woulda been gone by the turn cuz I woulda just called on the flop.
 
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Fold preflop - If he is stealing let him and steal back later.

Flop - you led out a with a huge bet, why not bet like 7k for the same result and then you can get away when he shoves. All you really have is a draw with a weak over card. When he shoved fold and you are still in reasonable shape.

I am not a good player but I have learned to not get into all in situations with marginal hands, Here you are drawing getting nowhere near appropriate odds to chase and risking your tournament life when you are in really good shape chip wise before the hand started.
 
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I don't mind the call preflop. Against most villain's, I'd lead on the flop as well.

Check/raising the flop just gets us involved too deep with a marginal hand at this point. Its way too expensive. You don't really mind him c-betting you off the flop since your stack is so big. Pick a more appropriate spot to defend your blind.

Also, if you think he's raising a big range from the button, you might want to consider 3-betting this preflop.
 
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OOP... raise post flop... lose pot control...then make loose call with OESD...could have mitigated loss at several points...check call post flop...fold if raised on turn
my 2 cents
 
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How are you priced in to go all in with Q high and a 2/3 chance you will miss your draw :S :S :S :S
 
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Not well played imo jake.

For one, calling pf is obviously not standard, and I understand you're much more aggressive than the average joe but this is a bad spot.

Postflop is bad too - we give him all the leverage in the hand. You've done nothing postflop but given him the upper hand, and committed your whole stack with nothing but an OESD.

IF we're playing this hand preflop (which I disagree with), and IF we want to make a big move on this flop (which I don't really agree with), then postflop a lead-push is much stronger. That way we put him to the test, and possibly even fold out some overpairs if he's strong enough.

Hero bets 4000
Villain raises to 14000
Hero shoves 60k+
Villain hates life with anything but a set/v strong overpair

Anyways this is way too aggressive. It's just not necessary - take a step back and look at what you've done in this hand overall.
 
blankoblanco

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yeah, stacks are way better for bet/3b. the best line for leverage is generally the first thing i look at when i flop a draw and think i want to push with it one way or the other. don't understand why you chose to c/r
 
jaketrevvor

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zomg

just looked at this hand agen. in the heat of busting i had somehow justified this in my warped mind (wtf?) and posted it so that i could try and avoid the fact i'd just busted for no reason. jesus.

plz god take this thread back. pretty plzplzplz.

edit: i have soooooo little respect for myself jeez

NO ONE READ OP HE'S A CRZY DRUGGED FOOL.
 
ChuckTs

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YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED

We all make mistakes dude, you should see some of the calls I make in rings for stacks :)...:(:(:(
 
jaketrevvor

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But this isn't a mistake this is like... I can't even imagine justifying this at all. I'm such a noob imo.

oh ya + uberuberuberashamed np :)
 
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Well, you shouldn't be too hard on yourself about the all-in call. You were a small favorite as it turned out, and even if you're not you have close to enough odds. IMO, the real mistake was check-raising. See below.


Almost 3 to 1 vs a button range + uberimplied odds vs loose big stack, standard call imo.
 
jaketrevvor

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fair dues. the trouble is its always harder to extract when i do hit oop...

looking back on it I'd definately make the pf call every time and with a lead bet if I'm faced with a raise I'm likely to shove. Vil is loosedonk enuf that he could feasibly call esp as like 97% of my hands are draws -- so in the end i might have got stacked anyway :D

(though realistically i think normally i'd c/c this)
 
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Defintly too aggressive, you are very deepstacked and in great in chip position no need to put your whole stack in on a coinflip. Against every hand he could have you are no better than 50% to win here. Preflop I agree with you pretty standard call. On the flop I would have made a smallish 1/2 semibluff bet. Then if he raises see if you're getting the right price to draw at the straight. You have 8 outs for the straight and possibly another 6 outs (you had 14 outs against his A7 but he could have easily had an overpair which reduces more of your outs). After he raises on the flop I'd say you should call if you're getting better than about 3.5:1 and fold if not.
 
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On the flop I would have made a smallish 1/2 semibluff bet. Then if he raises see if you're getting the right price to draw at the straight ..... After he raises on the flop I'd say you should call if you're getting better than about 3.5:1 and fold if not.

Firstly weak bet with the intention of *maybe* calling is ubericcky.

Secondly 3.5 to 1 seems rather arbitrary.

Thirdly why oh why did you bump this thread? just to make me cry in shame all over again :eek::(
 
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check/calling or bet/calling out of position with really obvious draws -- by which i mean not only is our way of playing the hand indicative of a draw, but the outs are so unconcealed that implied odds are awful even when we do hit -- is generally not a profitable way to play hands. it only is so when we're getting really awesome odds which in usually we're not gonna be getting. if we're betting we'd have to count on him raising near the minimum to give us appropriate odds to just call imo
 
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