$75 NLHE MTT Rebuy: I should have called with my AJo, right?

[NeverEnough]

Early in my local casino's live MTT. $75 buy-in with re-buys up to the 1st break after level 4.
10k starting stacks. No antes. Blinds start at 25/50. 20 minute levels

Blinds were 50/100 & I am dealt AJo in MP. Pot ends up about $1,500 pre-flop. I bet half the pot after the flop of A 7 brick rainbow. Post is now $3k. Everyone but the player to my right folds. He calls. 2 comes on the turn. We both check. Another 7 on the river & I bet $3,000. He shoves, which is about $10,000. Now I'm afraid of him having another 7. I have never played w/this guy before, so zero reads. I couldn't pick up any consistent tells either. I end up folding. He doesn't show.

Should I have called? I feel like I should have.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

This depends entirely on your read.

However, you should have bet the turn. Top pair good kicker, you bet.

As for calling or not, that's up to you. With your turn check, it is possible dude shoved because he thought you were weak. Or he may have actually had a 7. Who knows. Don't check. Bet the whole way in this spot. He may have folded the turn to a strong bet. Ship it....

Just my opinion.

Edit: it is a rebuy, so a call might have been in order.

 

[NeverEnough]

This depends entirely on your read.

However, you should have bet the turn. Top pair good kicker, you bet.

As for calling or not, that's up to you. With your turn check, it is possible dude shoved because he thought you were weak. Or he may have actually had a 7. Who knows. Don't check. Bet the whole way in this spot. He may have folded the turn to a strong bet. Ship it....

Just my opinion.

Edit: it is a rebuy, so a call might have been in order.

I had no read at the time. Never played with this guy before. However, as the tournament went on it was obvious that we was a solid player.

I RARELY re-buy, though. Not looking to piss money away.

 

[Aces2w1n]

He probably had a weak ace, and didn't want any callers but you put yourself in an awkward decision when you didn't raise the turn. Perhaps with the extra 7 you had fold equity which he clearly used against you.
btw i hate AJo

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I RARELY re-buy, though. Not looking to piss money away.

Fair enough. However, it is a rebuy MTT. If you don't want to rebuy, you shouldn't be playing a rebuy tourney. Play a freezeout. If you aren't rolled to rebuy, play different games.

To properly play a tourney like this one, you should buy in for max. Allow enough for add-on and at least one max rebuy before rebuys end. Maybe more. You will rarely make the money in a rebuy without rebuying.

But what I meant was it's a rebuy, and dude was probably jamming to make you fold your winning hand.

 

[zohyeahz]

I agree, if you aren't going to rebuy, you probably should enter rebuy tournaments. I would have called in your spot and I definitely would have bet the turn.

 

[NeverEnough]

Fair enough. However, it is a rebuy MTT. If you don't want to rebuy, you shouldn't be playing a rebuy tourney. Play a freezeout. If you aren't rolled to rebuy, play different games.

To properly play a tourney like this one, you should buy in for max. Allow enough for add-on and at least one max rebuy before rebuys end. Maybe more. You will rarely make the money in a rebuy without rebuying.

But what I meant was it's a rebuy, and dude was probably jamming to make you fold your winning hand.

This is my local casino. rather than drive to AC all the time for the same tournaments w/o re-buys, I play local. I think you may be under the impression that re-buy means you can add to your stock. You can only re-buy if you are eliminated.

The tournament details I listed in my first post apply to anyone that re-buys too. Re-buying doesn't give you an advantage, it only means you got eliminated & had to re-buy to get back in with a 10k starting stack again & now you have a smaller stack than most others & the blinds are higher.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

This is my local casino. rather than drive to AC all the time for the same tournaments w/o re-buys, I play local. I think you may be under the impression that re-buy means you can add to your stock. You can only re-buy if you are eliminated.

The tournament details I listed in my first post apply to anyone that re-buys too. Re-buying doesn't give you an advantage, it only means you got eliminated & had to re-buy to get back in with a 10k starting stack again & now you have a smaller stack than most others & the blinds are higher.

Here is my thought process about rebuys.

You don't want to play like a fool just because you can rebuy. Hopefully you are at a table with a bunch of fools running with scissors. Then, even if you get felted, you buy back in and now there are more chips on your table to win. A good player who is running good will end up with a monster stack by the time the rebuy peroid ends. But you may get felted in a rebuy. Just part if the game. Try to get your money in good, and avoid losing. But if you do lose, buy back in.


You shouldn't be playing these tournies with fear. You should have enough to buy back in.

However, some pros just keep rebuying over and over, trying to build up monster stacks on their table. Then they hit a big hand or two, and get 6 to 1 pot odds, and end the rebuy peroid with a monster chip lead.


There are many strategies for rebuy mtts, but I really think choosing not to rebuy is NOT one of the winning strategies.


And finally, this is just my opinion. I am just a fellow member of CC. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[NeverEnough]

Here is my thought process about rebuys.

You don't want to play like a fool just because you can rebuy. Hopefully you are at a table with a bunch of fools running with scissors. Then, even if you get felted, you buy back in and now there are more chips on your table to win.

re-buy players in this tourny do not go back to the same table.

A good player who is running good will end up with a monster stack by the time the rebuy peroid ends. But you may get felted in a rebuy. Just part if the game. Try to get your money in good, and avoid losing. But if you do lose, buy back in.

I always try to get my money in good. However, I normally don't get eliminated till well after re-buys end.

You shouldn't be playing these tournies with fear. You should have enough to buy back in.

Never said I played with fear or that I can't re-buy. However, this is not what the thread is about.

There are many strategies for rebuy mtts, but I really think choosing not to rebuy is NOT one of the winning strategies.

See my post above. I am normally still in well after re-buys end. I'm not going to start shoving all the time just b/c I can re-buy.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Ok. I just play rebuys differently than you.

Back to what this thread is about.

You should have bet the turn. I would have called river shove, but I wouldn't have checked to let him exploit me on the river.

Given the situation (checking turn) I still think I would have called the all-in. But from the turn on, you seemed to be playing too passive. The fact that you checked the turn, and folded the river kinda seems like you are playing with scared money to me. That's why I brought up rebuying.

I don't think villain would have shipped the river if you played more aggressive. Seems like villain had a weak ace.

 

[MediaBLITZ]

You can only re-buy if you are eliminated.
Re-buying doesn't give you an advantage, it only means you got eliminated & had to re-buy to get back in with a 10k starting stack again & now you have a smaller stack than most others & the blinds are higher.

That would make it a "re-entry" as opposed to a standard rebuy.

 

[NeverEnough]

That would make it a "re-entry" as opposed to a standard rebuy.

Shame on the casino for calling it rebuy then. Now I know.

 

[Debi]

Yea re-buys and re-entries are 2 different games. A re-entry should be played more like a freeze out imo and it is totally acceptable to play it with the intention of only entering once.

I wish I knew what happened pre-flop - there is a chance I would not have stayed in the hand. Once you did though you definitely needed to bet that turn.

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

Bet the turn for sure, don't see why you wouldn't and could've saved yourself from this tough decision..

Other than that this is mostly read dependent and since you have no read on your opponent in this spot I'd say you made the right lay down

 

[kanselau]

I think that too much information is missing here , like Dakota said , WHAT HAPPEN PRE , your in a bloated flop , probably multi way , seems to me that you should have not even been in the pot ,( especialy with no intention of rebuying). Giving a description of A 7 Brick rainbow on the flop, and turn 2 , is not very clear ( is the turn conected , is there flush draws now? ) . Now everyones saying bet turn , but why is checking wrong to controll the size of the pot ( we dont really want to bloat the pot anymore) . Again on the river too little information ,What is your stack size . Does the river card complete any flush draws?
As played the pot is offering you 2to1 and you hold TP decent kicker , with a stack size of 30k and a wet board in a rebuy torney you might somehow find a fold here , but if you have 5k left you can never fold.

 

[NeverEnough]

I think that too much information is missing here , like Dakota said , WHAT HAPPEN PRE , your in a bloated flop , probably multi way , seems to me that you should have not even been in the pot ,( especialy with no intention of rebuying). Giving a description of A 7 Brick rainbow on the flop, and turn 2 , is not very clear ( is the turn conected , is there flush draws now? ) . Now everyones saying bet turn , but why is checking wrong to controll the size of the pot ( we dont really want to bloat the pot anymore) . Again on the river too little information ,What is your stack size . Does the river card complete any flush draws?
As played the pot is offering you 2to1 and you hold TP decent kicker , with a stack size of 30k and a wet board in a rebuy torney you might somehow find a fold here , but if you have 5k left you can never fold.

There's no flush draw out there. I should not be play AJ in late position? Then why even bother playing at all? It's a re-entry not a re-buy.

It's very early in the tourny so stack sizes are all around 10k.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

There's no flush draw out there. I should not be play AJ in late position? Then why even bother playing at all? It's a re-entry not a re-buy.

It's very early in the tourny so stack sizes are all around 10k.

I think he was saying "what happened preflop?"

ho raised, reraised, whatever...

 

[NeverEnough]

I think he was saying "what happened preflop?"

ho raised, reraised, whatever...

I raised. He called.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I raised. He called.

Ok. I guess it doesn't matter. Usually you would tell us how much you raised, etc. It doesn't seem that you even want any input on the issue (maybe I am reading into it too much). You seem defensive.

Why even bother to ask for input when you seem a little argumentative about the input you receive?

There's no flush draw out there. I should not be play AJ in late position? Then why even bother playing at all? It's a re-entry not a re-buy.

It's very early in the tourny so stack sizes are all around 10k.

You surrendered the pot (IMO) on the turn. If you have position, then bet the turn to narrow villains range with TP decent kicker.

What is the point to playing in position if you don't use the position to your advantage? Who checks this turn here? We are in position with top pair, and villain checks, and you check behind??? What are you hoping will happen by playing this passive?

Just my $0.02 here.

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

Yes the point is as you say "I should not be play AJ in late position? Then why even bother playing at all? It's a re-entry not a re-buy."

If that's what you think then what better could ya ask for then A 7 brick 3 board to bet the turn?

 

[NeverEnough]

Ok. I guess it doesn't matter. Usually you would tell us how much you raised, etc. It doesn't seem that you even want any input on the issue (maybe I am reading into it too much). You seem defensive.

Why even bother to ask for input when you seem a little argumentative about the input you receive?

What? I responded to your post. I don't recall the exact bet amount now.

 

[kanselau]

I raised he called , is still not very descriptive of what happen pre flop.
I am questioning this because this is crucial information of how im playing AJ.

There are situation where your AJ is a strong hand and there a situations where the same hand is rubbish and its going in the muck pre.
With the blinds at 50/100 and the pot ending up at 1500 there is some heavy action going on pre (raise rerasise) or every one on the table has called and we have 9 runners. Either way the AJ doesnt seem that fantastic now.
A good player will asses how good AJ is in a specfic situation , by taking in consideration many factors such as Ranges , table dynamics , meta game and reads ( body launguage, betting patterns) .
Your lackof importance in providing information and your comment "I should not be play AJ in late position? Then why even bother playing at all?" makes me belive that you play your AJ for its face value.

 

[The Messiah]

Agree with everyone who says that we need more info on what happened pre, if he raised and u 3bet then that would make since..
If that's what happened then I'm betting turn and shipping river as we lose value when we check and don't have any FE if he jams river when checked to.

 

[NeverEnough]

Agree with everyone who says that we need more info on what happened pre, if he raised and u 3bet then that would make since..
If that's what happened then I'm betting turn and shipping river as we lose value when we check and don't have any FE if he jams river when checked to.

The rest of the limpers folded to my pre-flop raise. He called it.

 

[XXPXXP]

In my view, the key point is:
In the rebuy turney, do you feel comfortable to play with 6K chips at 50/100 for a while?

If yes, just fold. If no, call for sure!
for me, I will call, even that looks to be 50% 50%, I would still call for the sake of building my stack.