He's a villain who played a lot of connected hands like JQ, 9T, 87. I estimate it in that range or Ax, do you think it is profitable to pay here knowing that they are going to flip 90% of the time?

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PokerStars, $6.69 + $0.81 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,750/3,500 (550 ante) - 9 players
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tatarin20 (UTG): 24,420 (7 bb)
Marianex.BJ (UTG+1): 133,579 (38 bb)
rserrano00 (MP): 99,149 (28 bb)
Poker.TL17 (MP+1): 47,558 (14 bb)
joner89255 (LP): 315,729 (90 bb)
D1Sokolov (CO): 93,900 (27 bb)
souhailber (BU): 75,654 (22 bb)
Shelebbrs (SB): 57,227 (16 bb)
LTBVB (BB): 74,766 (21 bb)

Pre-Flop: (10,200) Hero (Marianex.BJ) is UTG+1 with 6♣ 6♠
tatarin20 (UTG) raises to 23,870 (all-in), Marianex.BJ (UTG+1) 3-bets to 45,500, 2 players fold, joner89255 (LP) 4-bets to 315,179 (all-in), 4 players fold, Marianex.BJ (UTG+1) folds

Flop: (125,070) 8♦ 4♣ 8♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (125,070) A♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (125,070) J♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 125,070

Showdown:
joner89255 (LP) shows 9♥ T♥ (a pair of Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 31%, Turn: 20%, River: 0%)

tatarin20 (UTG) shows K♠ A♦ (two pair, Aces and Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 69%, Turn: 80%, River: 100%)

joner89255 (LP) wins 43,260
tatarin20 (UTG) wins 81,810

Even with the bounty in play, I think, you have to many people left to act after you to get involved with a hand as bad as 66, and you also have to many chips. The issue is, that even though you are only risking 7BB against UTG, other people are going to want his bounty as well, and you have up to 38BB at risk against them. If you had like 10-14BB, and it was a very juicy bounty, then maybe there is a case for overjamming and make this the spot, where you make a stand and try to chip up. But with your stack size I would snap fold. Preserving that stack is more important than winning a bounty here and now.

I also dont think your min-raise does anything other than lose you more chips, when the chip leader decides to jam on you. Its not going to deter the shorter stacks from entering the pot, since putting in 7BB would commit them anyway. So if I was forced to get involved here, I would just call and then make a decision based on, who jams on me. Against the chip leader almost certainly folding, against the shorter stacks almost certainly calling.

As played you put in a third of your stack, and the chip leader could certainly be jamming light, so I think, you have to call it off. Its not a great spot, but you are getting 2:1 against him, and you will be flipping more often than dominated. You could even from time to time be ahead of a hand like a suited wheel ace or a smaller pair.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Even with the bounty in play, I think, you have to many people left to act after you to get involved with a hand as bad as 66, and you also have to many chips. The issue is, that even though you are only risking 7BB against UTG, other people are going to want his bounty as well, and you have up to 38BB at risk against them. If you had like 10-14BB, and it was a very juicy bounty, then maybe there is a case for overjamming and make this the spot, where you make a stand and try to chip up. But with your stack size I would snap fold. Preserving that stack is more important than winning a bounty here and now.

I also dont think your min-raise does anything other than lose you more chips, when the chip leader decides to jam on you. Its not going to deter the shorter stacks from entering the pot, since putting in 7BB would commit them anyway. So if I was forced to get involved here, I would just call and then make a decision based on, who jams on me. Against the chip leader almost certainly folding, against the shorter stacks almost certainly calling.

As played you put in a third of your stack, and the chip leader could certainly be jamming light, so I think, you have to call it off. Its not a great spot, but you are getting 2:1 against him, and you will be flipping more often than dominated. You could even from time to time be ahead of a hand like a suited wheel ace or a smaller pair.

Hello, thank you very much for taking the time and responding, it is much appreciated. I think that now seeing the situation well I agree with you, the most convenient thing at that time was to directly fold and avoid any kind of problems, or in any case just call and analyze, however I think my mini raise move was the worst decision that I could take.

I think the min 3 bet is a big mistake.

Either fold, or flat the UTG all in and hope (very optimistically) that you get to see the flop.

I agree with previous comments. As Sidetracked says, don't make a small 3-bet here -- it's too many chips. Options are to fold, jam, and sometimes flat. Which one we do depends on the size of UTG's bounty. Facing a smaller bounty, I would just fold. If the bounty is large, most of the time I would shove to isolate.

Fundiver is also completely right that we are committed to call off the shove once we make the 3-bet. The pot is too large, we're still eligible for the first bounty, and we're getting great odds for what will often be a flip.