$50 NLHE MTT Turbo: $50 NLHE MTT LIVE Turbo: Nut Flush Draw vs Apparent Trip Aces

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60 man live tournament -
Blinds @ $50-$100 (about to move up to $100-$200)
$2000 starting stack


Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K ♠ Q ♠ (current stack $1800)

UTG limps to $100, +1 folds, 2 folds, 3 folds, Hero calls $100, 5 fold, 6 fold, button raises to $300, SB fold, BB fold, UTG calls $300, Hero calls $300

Flop: (t510) A ♣ A ♠ 9 ♠ (3 players)

UTG bets $1200 (bigger stack than hero, button also has bigger stack)

Action for Hero and why??????

 

[Poker Orifice]

Player reads? (ie. why is UTG betting ~POT into the raiser? ... & what would they do that with?,.. assuming that it'd be the same as a shove if they have little behind. Why do we assume UTG has an Ace?).
Even if BTN gets it in here too, I believe you still have ~28-33%eq. vs. both of them... so I'm getting it in here.
It's an awkward/ugly spot. Not sure about what the stack sizes are for all players on the table (ie. are they mostly around the same.. 20'ish' bb's?) but typically with a stack of 18bb's, I'm looking for spots where I'm shipping it over a raise... 'or' I'm open-raising with hands I intend to take to showdown.

 

[baudib1]

do this

UTG limps to $100, +1 folds, 2 folds, 3 folds, Hero calls $100, 5 fold, 6 fold, button raises to $300, SB fold, BB fold, UTG calls $300, Hero ships it in pre

 

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Both players very solid in first 45 minutes. UTG very active and raking in chips. Has about 32 BB. Button much more tight. This is maybe only 2nd or 3rd hand she's involved herself in. Won her other hand so has about 25 BB. First hand for uber tight Hero.
Hero not assuming UTG has an ace (at least wasn't until UTG pot sized raise), but is assuming at least one of them probably does. Figures UTG's big bet is to protect his hand from the flush draw on the board. Now that could indicate he hit trips. If he doesn't, button could have. Either way it pretty much leaves Hero with flush or bust.

 

[c9h13no3]

Don't limp.

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[Pascal-lf]

This ^^^^

 

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"Bring back the limp!" Daniel Negreanu

The no limp "rule" is really about cash games. Many times in tourney play it is the absolute correct play to get to a flop as cheap as possible and see what happens. A limp defines cheap as possible.
The real danger is over doing it and limping way too many times. It is not unusual for me to go the whole tournament and never limp, but generally I will take a stab once or twice in a tourney. However I just can't think of time where I would open limp. If I am opening it is a raise.

Daniel Negreanu on Poker: Limping In

Now I will be clear - I have studied Negreanu but I do not model my play on him. But the boy makes sense sometimes.

 

[c9h13no3]

So why did you limp this hand? Because a guy you saw on TV told you it was okay?

If so, I've got a book of all natural herbal remedies to sell you....

 

[baudib1]

Limping in cash games is wayyyyy better than limping in tournaments.

In this spot it's just horrible, you've got a fish who open-limped and the pot is already 14% of your stack. This isn't like a cash game where you're 200 BBs deep and want to limp to flop a monster vs. someone who can't fold top pair. We want to build a pot, take it down preflop or stack off happily with top pair or 8-out draw on the flop and double up.

you're better off open-shoving or folding here.

 

[Pascal-lf]

"Bring back the limp!" Daniel Negreanu

The no limp "rule" is really about cash games. Many times in tourney play it is the absolute correct play to get to a flop as cheap as possible and see what happens. A limp defines cheap as possible.
The real danger is over doing it and limping way too many times. It is not unusual for me to go the whole tournament and never limp, but generally I will take a stab once or twice in a tourney. However I just can't think of time where I would open limp. If I am opening it is a raise.

Daniel Negreanu on Poker: Limping In

Now I will be clear - I have studied Negreanu but I do not model my play on him. But the boy makes sense sometimes.

I don't mind limping behind occasionally but it's far better to do it when you are closer to one of the last people to act and you have a weaker hand that could flop well - stuff like low suited connectors. KQs is strong enough to be ahead of limping ranges so you can raise for value.

Don't forget that Negreanu only plays live tournaments with awesome structures where the average stays deep - no where near the same world as online or standard casino donkaments.

 

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I don't mind limping behind occasionally but it's far better to do it when you are closer to one of the last people to act and you have a weaker hand that could flop well - stuff like low suited connectors. KQs is strong enough to be ahead of limping ranges so you can raise for value.

Don't forget that Negreanu only plays live tournaments with awesome structures where the average stays deep - no where near the same world as online or standard casino donkaments.

Excellent point.