$5.50 NLHE MTT: 55 Full house facing a tough river

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No significant hand history with villain.

pokerstars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 9 players

Villain (UTG): 33,716 (28 bb)
Who cares (UTG+1): 57,346 (48 bb)
Who cares (MP): 13,172 (11 bb)
Who cares (MP+1): 24,619 (21 bb)
Hero (LP): 45,569 (38 bb)
Who cares (CO): 30,186 (25 bb)
Who cares (BU): 26,862 (22 bb)
Who cares (SB): 8,150 (7 bb)
Who cares (BB): 48,502 (40 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,150) Hero is LP with 5 5
Villain (UTG) raises to 3,000, 3 players fold, Hero (LP) calls 3,000, 4 players fold

Flop: (9,150) 7 7 2 (2 players)
Villain (UTG) bets 4,800, Hero (LP) calls 4,800

Turn: (18,750) 5 (2 players)
Villain (UTG) bets 9,375, Hero (LP) calls 9,375

River: (37,500) 7 (2 players)
Villain (UTG) bets 16,391 (all-in), Hero (LP) folds

Total pot: 37,500
Villain (UTG) wins 37,500
 
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I would have jammed the turn. This is pretty much the perfect situation to stack an overpair. Letting the last card roll off only increase the chance, he gets away from his 88-JJ, if for instance an ace peel off on the river. As played I like your fold on the river. You got counterfeited, and you only beat a triple barrel bluff now.
 
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Tough spot villan is representing a big pocket pair which due to the river 7 now has you behind if he has these hands. I like how you played all the streets and think it's a really unlucky run out. What history do you have on villan? I doubt he would go 3 streets with AK AQ etc most of the time he would check these hands on the turn on this board. Think he's going to have 10s+ here a lot and think it's a really unlucky river maybe he would fold the turn to a raise but you wanted him still in the hand with his overpair
 
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I would have jammed the turn. This is pretty much the perfect situation to stack an overpair. Letting the last card roll off only increase the chance, he gets away from his 88-JJ, if for instance an ace peel off on the river. As played I like your fold on the river. You got counterfeited, and you only beat a triple barrel bluff now.

I agree with everything you said, I usually shove the turn for value from pocket pairs.
This time I got fancy and tried to keep his bluffing range on the hand, but I reckon that's not a big part of it.
 
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Tough spot villan is representing a big pocket pair which due to the river 7 now has you behind if he has these hands. I like how you played all the streets and think it's a really unlucky run out. What history do you have on villan? I doubt he would go 3 streets with AK AQ etc most of the time he would check these hands on the turn on this board. Think he's going to have 10s+ here a lot and think it's a really unlucky river maybe he would fold the turn to a raise but you wanted him still in the hand with his overpair

No real history but I presumed he was on the tighter side, because they weren't defending their blinds unreasonably.
But even if they were very aggressive, I can't see them triple barreling in this type of board.
Thank you for the input.
 
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On a side note, what do you guys think about calling with 55 vs UTG open in these stacks? Do you think it's a good idea (and why)?
 
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For me it's a very clear and comfortable call with 25+bb in late position.
Anything less I can see a fold/shove approach depending on villain.
 
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For me it's a very clear and comfortable call with 25+bb in late position.
Anything less I can see a fold/shove approach depending on villain.
But you have 3 stacks of 7-25BBs behind you and your opponent opening from UTG to rather short stacked table (therefore most likely ready to call repushes).
 
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Yeah I think best coast scenario is the turn is a jam and they show 99-AA. Then you just have to console yourself with the fact that you made the right decision :p

Sick spot for sure
 
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On a side note, what do you guys think about calling with 55 vs UTG open in these stacks? Do you think it's a good idea (and why)?

For me its still a call pre. I know there wasn't too much history but I think if you're mixing your game up enough, there MIGHT be room for a small 3b?
 
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No significant hand history with villain.

PokerStars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 9 players

Villain (UTG): 33,716 (28 bb)
Who cares (UTG+1): 57,346 (48 bb)
Who cares (MP): 13,172 (11 bb)
Who cares (MP+1): 24,619 (21 bb)
Hero (LP): 45,569 (38 bb)
Who cares (CO): 30,186 (25 bb)
Who cares (BU): 26,862 (22 bb)
Who cares (SB): 8,150 (7 bb)
Who cares (BB): 48,502 (40 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,150) Hero is LP with 5 5
Villain (UTG) raises to 3,000, 3 players fold, Hero (LP) calls 3,000, 4 players fold

Flop: (9,150) 7 7 2 (2 players)
Villain (UTG) bets 4,800, Hero (LP) calls 4,800

Turn: (18,750) 5 (2 players)
Villain (UTG) bets 9,375, Hero (LP) calls 9,375

River: (37,500) 7 (2 players)
Villain (UTG) bets 16,391 (all-in), Hero (LP) folds

Total pot: 37,500
Villain (UTG) wins 37,500

Fold. He can easily have AA, KK, QQ here. AK here is possible, but not likely. And plus almost his entire range has you beat. He did raise UTG preflop so that should count for something.
 
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I agree with everything you said, I usually shove the turn for value from pocket pairs.
This time I got fancy and tried to keep his bluffing range on the hand, but I reckon that's not a big part of it.

I think, that is true. Its a 5,5$ tournament so not the absolute bottom of the rang but still microstakes. And I think in general few players at these limits are willing to pull the trigger by risking their tournament life on a tripple barrel bluff. They might C-bet a lot, and they might even barrel the turn with their AQ of hearts or whatever. But on the river most players at these stakes will wave the white flag to survive in the tournament. Which is also why, the river is definitely a fold.
 
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But you have 3 stacks of 7-25BBs behind you and your opponent opening from UTG to rather short stacked table (therefore most likely ready to call repushes).

Yes and exactly of their stack size they will participate in the hand with a very tight range.
If one of them pushes after our call and UTG player folds we call for most likely a flip or fold depending on villain.
If one or more of the players behind us push and UTG player calls we can fold.
We are only paying 5% of our stack preflop to set mine and win a huge pot, or even outplay the UTG player on flops that his range misses.
Overall folding preflop is a bit too tight for me but I can see it, maybe a bit later in tournament where there are big ICM considerations.
 
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I would have jammed the turn. This is pretty much the perfect situation to stack an overpair. Letting the last card roll off only increase the chance, he gets away from his 88-JJ, if for instance an ace peel off on the river. As played I like your fold on the river. You got counterfeited, and you only beat a triple barrel bluff now.



I cannot offer much more than what has already been said here. We missed our opportunity by not shoving turn and now our boat has sank and become a bluff catcher.
 
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