$5.50 NL HE MTT: 77 in HJ

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

5.50

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

Stats are from a very small sample:

CO stats after 29 hands: VPIP 21 PFR 7 Limp 7 Call Raise Pre-flop 23
UTG stats after 16 hands: VPIP 19 PFR 13 Call Raise pre-flop 14


This is a $5.50 SCOOP PKO tournament. Pre-flop this a bottom of the range pair that is ok to call here this deep, so I decided to call and re-evaluate on the flop. On the flop is where I think I made a mistake, since we are so many players that saw the flop the probability that one of them has a Jx hand or even a flush draw is high, so I think that calling here is a mistake. Even so I just called. Now the CO shoves and also the UTG iso trying probably to get his bounty ( I don't remember the value of the bounties, but it was at least $1.25 )

Now what I am interested to see your guys opinions, do you call here since you guys cover both players?



pokerstars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (75 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 24,168 (40 bb)
UTG+1: 44,730 (75 bb)
MP: 24,937 (42 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 46,552 (78 bb)
CO: 15,909 (27 bb)
BU: 32,170 (54 bb)
SB: 25,490 (42 bb)
BB: 61,044 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,500) Hero is MP+1 with 7♥ 7♣
UTG raises to 1,380, UTG+1 calls 1,380, 1 fold, Hero calls 1,380, CO calls 1,380, 2 players fold, BB calls 780

Flop: (7,800) 3♥ 3♠ J♠ (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets 3,120, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls 3,120, CO raises to 14,454 (all-in), BB folds, UTG raises to 22,713 (all-in), MP+1 (Hero) ?

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I am ok with calling here, and its basically a setmine, because you are already the third player to enter the pot. It would be better, if UTG had more chips, but at least UTG+1 is deep.

Flop
I agree, that this is just a fold. Heads-up it would be fine to peel at least one street on this board. But here UTG is C-betting into 4 other players, and he should never be doing that with air. He should always have at least top pair good kicker or a flushdraw, and you are completely smoked by such a range. In top of that you also have two other players still left to act behind you, and they could also have you beat. As played its a very easy fold, when there is a jam and a call from other players. Being able to win some bounties does not justify going all-in, when you are almost always drawing to two outs at best.

 

[eetenor]

Stats are from a very small sample:

CO stats after 29 hands: VPIP 21 PFR 7 Limp 7 Call Raise Pre-flop 23
UTG stats after 16 hands: VPIP 19 PFR 13 Call Raise pre-flop 14


This is a $5.50 SCOOP PKO tournament. Pre-flop this a bottom of the range pair that is ok to call here this deep, so I decided to call and re-evaluate on the flop. On the flop is where I think I made a mistake, since we are so many players that saw the flop the probability that one of them has a Jx hand or even a flush draw is high, so I think that calling here is a mistake. Even so I just called. Now the CO shoves and also the UTG iso trying probably to get his bounty ( I don't remember the value of the bounties, but it was at least $1.25 )

Now what I am interested to see your guys opinions, do you call here since you guys cover both players?



PokerStars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (75 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 24,168 (40 bb)
UTG+1: 44,730 (75 bb)
MP: 24,937 (42 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 46,552 (78 bb)
CO: 15,909 (27 bb)
BU: 32,170 (54 bb)
SB: 25,490 (42 bb)
BB: 61,044 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,500) Hero is MP+1 with 7♥ 7♣
UTG raises to 1,380, UTG+1 calls 1,380, 1 fold, Hero calls 1,380, CO calls 1,380, 2 players fold, BB calls 780

Flop: (7,800) 3♥ 3♠ J♠ (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets 3,120, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls 3,120, CO raises to 14,454 (all-in), BB folds, UTG raises to 22,713 (all-in), MP+1 (Hero) ?

We want to preplan our actions always- so preflop we have to decide how we are going to play vs UTG range with 77- when we flat we are deciding to set mine most often- if not a set mine we are hoping to hit a good board for us or we expect the UTG player to be passive post flop so we can continue on flops that do not favor us.
Then we get called by CO and BB so now we adapt our plan again
What part of our first plan vs UTG has to adapt to these calls?

So flop hits- no set- flop does not interact with our hand and does not allow us to find many range bluffs and we have no spade for redraw- UTG bets into 3 players so not a passive act at all- so what is our best action based on our preflop plan?

 

[300HPGOD]

Very sympatico with FunDiver here although I will say that even heads up against the UTG player Im not loving a call but I guess would make it. They are 19/13 and raising UTG (yes only a few hands but its not irrelevant information) so we should start with that range. I dont think that type of player (assuming they are that type of player even though we have so few hands on them) opens 22- maybe even 55 UTG off of 40 BBs. So maybe their total range here is AJ+, 66+ and maybe KQ suited. Ill throw in KJ suited as well. We are crushed against that range especially with a J on the flop. I would feel much better with a 10, 6, 4 board or a 9,3,3 board instead of having any flop with a J+ card in it. Given that and that I wouldnt think smaller pairs are here that just doesnt leave a lot that we are beating and there are still 2 cards to come. I like playing this for set value pre, especially as noted we are 2nd caller, but once I dont set here I am really not looking to stay around. As I said I think if its heads up I still call flop here but I think its close against a somewhat tight UTG open off this stack. Its definitely a fold as played the first time action hits you with other opponents still to act and after the all in action its a snappiest of snap folds.