$5.5 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Facing a limp reraise with TT

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Around 50 minutes into the 5,5$ "Voyage" on 888 Poker. A slow format tournament starting with 250BB stacks, so we are all still deep at this point. The opponent was playing VPIP 56 / PFR 20 / 3-bet 17 over a sample of 25 hands. How do we proceed after getting limp reraised with TT?


888Poker, $5 + $0.50 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 9 players
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UTG: 8,557 (86 bb)
UTG+1: 12,321 (123 bb)
MP: 9,995 (100 bb)
MP+1: 8,927 (89 bb)
LP: 9,988 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): 9,884 (99 bb)
BU: 6,086 (61 bb)
SB: 10,134 (101 bb)
BB: 7,876 (79 bb)

Pre-Flop: (258) Hero is CO with T♣ T♦
2 players fold, MP calls 100, MP+1 calls 100, 1 fold, Hero raises to 658, 3 players fold, MP 3-bets to 1,416, 1 fold, Hero?
 
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Around 50 minutes into the 5,5$ "Voyage" on 888 Poker. A slow format tournament starting with 250BB stacks, so we are all still deep at this point. The opponent was playing VPIP 56 / PFR 20 / 3-bet 17 over a sample of 25 hands. How do we proceed after getting limp reraised with TT?


888Poker, $5 + $0.50 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 9 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/hand-converter.php

UTG: 8,557 (86 bb)
UTG+1: 12,321 (123 bb)
MP: 9,995 (100 bb)
MP+1: 8,927 (89 bb)
LP: 9,988 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): 9,884 (99 bb)
BU: 6,086 (61 bb)
SB: 10,134 (101 bb)
BB: 7,876 (79 bb)

Pre-Flop: (258) Hero is CO with T♣ T♦
2 players fold, MP calls 100, MP+1 calls 100, 1 fold, Hero raises to 658, 3 players fold, MP 3-bets to 1,416, 1 fold, Hero?


Thank you for posting


Have you played a hand vs this V or shown down a 3 bet pot hand so far?
Have you seen a good play by this V?
You both have 100bb how does this V have that stack playing that many hands?
Has this V folded to a 4 bet?

How maniac was this player post flop? Do they slow down on the turn? Do they show down hands that should have been bluffs?
Has the rest of your table let this V control them?

Have we seen indications of nonstandard OOP play before?

This sizing is either a pot builder bet or an ISO raise or bad play.
How passive is the table?
How frequent are 4 bets in this player pool?
Does this V think they can blow out the 3rd player for the min and you call most of your range?

Have you seen any non standard sizing in other 3 bet pots by V?

You chose a 6.5x sizing how might this V see that sizing? Is that a standard table 3 bet sizing?

Do you know what countries your V are in? Do they know what country you are in?
Style of players matter and countries have different styles and view other players that way.

At these stack depths set mining is fine so no folding here.
You may have a skill advantage and POS so I would lean towards call because of the unpredictable play of the V without the above data.
The HUD stats you shared may not indicate the ability of the V if the table is passive and does not balance their ranges.

Depending on the data from the above questions this V could have a range that includes equity mining and do this to ISO your AA-88 etc preflop with the intent of calling your 4 bet to see what happens post flop.
If they are expecting a premium hand from you and want to play hands with high equity vs AA they may know it is better to play head-up than 3 way so they min raise call your 4 bet assuming implied odds and the ability to get AA to fold using the board runout.
This V if LAG skilled will know you can fold to bluffs at this stack depth.

As a default I would have set mined the TT vs this player as it was just as likely that we would go 3 way as this V has shown they do call often.
The problem with a raised pot 3 way is board coverage - low boards and high boards may be dangerous for us and we will have difficulty knowing. Our LAG V does not fold giving the 3rd V great odds to call a lot of their range on each street. TT infrequently improves and equity realization is difficult with a loose agg player 3 ways.

Set mine to save your stack to take out the sheep before you take on the were-rabbit that may be a wolf.


Hope this helps

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Thanks for the input. Folding would definitely be to tight, and calling would be ok. However I decided to go a different way and 4-bet jam. My reason for this is, that a limp-reraise is either aces or some random nonsense goofing around. And its much easier to have random nonsense than to have aces, especially when he is playing more than half the deck. TT is kind of tough to play postflop on many boards, so I was like "If he has it, then good for him".

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Thanks for the input. Folding would definitely be to tight, and calling would be ok. However I decided to go a different way and 4-bet jam. My reason for this is, that a limp-reraise is either aces or some random nonsense goofing around. And its much easier to have random nonsense than to have aces, especially when he is playing more than half the deck. TT is kind of tough to play postflop on many boards, so I was like "If he has it, then good for him".

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Thank you for responding.

Ending the hand preflop with TT is a good idea as you are picking up 15% ish of your stack right there.
As you say way more combos of goofy than nutty.
This is a good spot not to be worried about balance so great idea!

You were in a good spot vs this V, did you target more of this V's limps with a wider range?

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Knowing your opponent helps make the decision. I think you’re too deep to 4bet jam. If you had AA here, jamming seems to lose value. I personally would flat with hands like TT and AQ.
 
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Hello, IMO on about 100bb deep in stack, we can call his 3bet and try to target to set. Besides I think that we can call one time the flop with one over card the flop and later to see what happen on the turn card. If the turn card is low we can call sometimes the turn card, because on the river he can give up for example one or two over cards. If he will show a weakness on the turn card we have a chance to see the showdown. I read article about strategy that he hits something the flop in only 30% situations. So in conclusion, call pre flop his 3bet with pocket TT and see the flop. GL :)
 
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Around 50 minutes into the 5,5$ "Voyage" on 888 Poker. A slow format tournament starting with 250BB stacks, so we are all still deep at this point. The opponent was playing VPIP 56 / PFR 20 / 3-bet 17 over a sample of 25 hands. How do we proceed after getting limp reraised with TT?


888Poker, $5 + $0.50 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 9 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/hand-converter.php

UTG: 8,557 (86 bb)
UTG+1: 12,321 (123 bb)
MP: 9,995 (100 bb)
MP+1: 8,927 (89 bb)
LP: 9,988 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): 9,884 (99 bb)
BU: 6,086 (61 bb)
SB: 10,134 (101 bb)
BB: 7,876 (79 bb)

Pre-Flop: (258) Hero is CO with T♣ T♦
2 players fold, MP calls 100, MP+1 calls 100, 1 fold, Hero raises to 658, 3 players fold, MP 3-bets to 1,416, 1 fold, Hero?

4bet call if he shoves - your villain is a loose fishy goof ball. Make him pay!
 
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