$5 27 person SNG final table

[brutus]

pokerstars Game #9551083310: Tournament #48477323, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/04/22 - 12:29:08 (ET)
Table '48477323 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: Pilecad (2745 in chips)
Seat 3: TheOneSC (5690 in chips)
Seat 4: Jarg B'ye (4620 in chips)
Seat 5: caponedog (6895 in chips)
Seat 7: Kal El 48 (6705 in chips)
Seat 8: brutus34 (5675 in chips)
Seat 9: barron3128 (8170 in chips)
Pilecad: posts the ante 25
TheOneSC: posts the ante 25
Jarg B'ye: posts the ante 25
caponedog: posts the ante 25
Kal El 48: posts the ante 25
brutus34: posts the ante 25
barron3128: posts the ante 25
barron3128: posts small blind 200
Pilecad: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to brutus34 [Jc Qs]
TheOneSC: folds
Jarg B'ye: folds
caponedog: folds
Kal El 48: folds
brutus34: raises 400 to 800
barron3128: calls 600
Pilecad: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3c Qc]
barron3128: checks
brutus34: bets 1200
barron3128: raises 6145 to 7345 and is all-in:motz:
brutus34 :hmmmm2:


this is early at the final table so dont have any reads

 

[ChuckTs]

For your own sake, stop minraising.

 

[brutus]

knew that would be someones first comment lol. i agree that was mistake #1

 

[ChuckTs]

How many get paid?

 

[brutus]

top 5 1st $50 2nd $36 3rd $24 4th $14 5th $11

 

[blankoblanco]

I don't see how you can fold it, since this could be a flush draw. You have 3675 left (having invested 2000)... it's 3675 more and it'll be a nearly 12k pot if you win it.

 

[alexanderwoo1]

The only way you can fold this hand is if you think your opponent has a set or a bigger kicker with a queen.

 

[hott_estelle]

I can see a set there like 22 or 33, or KQ possibly playing like that; I doubt it's AQ because AQ would probably repop the button reraise. Could be A10 of clubs calling the minraise as well. But definitely, the minraise leaves it open for a lot of cards the villain can have here, who knows even a straight bluff for all you know.

But as played, in the same situation, with no reads this is as tough of a call as there is. I don't think you absolutely have to call here like combuboom said above. 3600+ chips, at 200/400 blinds is enough to play with, for you to fold, if you think you're behind. 3600+ chip stack can still play and wait for good cards. However, that being said, if I was put into this position, it would really be tough to fold here.

I don't think I'm going to give you a straight answer, because I wasn't on the table with reads and I'm not in that situation at the moment. I think either move would be OK here. If you really think you're behind then fold, nothing wrong with that. But if you think there's a possibility you're ahead, then call, nothing wrong with that. I'm only being so ambiguous at the moment because of that minraise preflop, allowed a huge range of hands to call. It's a bit hard for an outsider to read any hands with that type of play preflop.

 

[brutus]

i also thought AQ or KQ wouldve reraised preflop so possible straight, flush draws and dont really want to get called or trips and trying to protect against the draws

 

[blankoblanco]

We only have to win a little over 20% of the time to make a call +cEV. Survival's nice but if we fold it, we're left with the 2nd shortest stack with an M of like 4.5, very likely we won't even burst the bubble. If we call and win it, we're virtually guaranteed money and in prime position to win the thing.

 

[hott_estelle]

i also thought AQ or KQ wouldve reraised preflop so possible straight, flush draws and dont really want to get called or trips and trying to protect against the draws

KQ can smooth call the minraise bet there. Also, straight draw is very doubtful on that board. Either way, just go with you instincts on this play here. With the way it was played, calling would seem like the right play, however, if you think you're behind there isn't anything too wrong with folding. You will have enough to play with here.

 

[alan1983]

I think the flush draw more likely bets out in this case cause he wants his fold equity while if he checks you may pot commit yourself and his check raises loses fold equity then.

So i think he likely has a made hand.

If his call was from BB id call his shove but for a SB 2 call you gotta give him credit for a hand.

I dont think Q10 calls here, so if i do want to dismiss a draw id put him on KQ.

Thats often wrong i guess since a lot of people would check raise with FD in this situation, and maybe its wrong enough times to make this call worth it with our stack.

But i dont think folding is bad here.

 

[brutus]

brutus34: calls 3650 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [2s 3c Qc] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [2s 3c Qc 2c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
barron3128: shows [Qh Ah] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
brutus34: shows [Jc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Deuces - lower kicker)
barron3128 collected 11875 from pot

 

[brutus]

thanks everyone for the input. thought it might have been a bad call

 

[blankoblanco]

Tough break. I think Q8s, Q9s, QTs, maybe not even suited could play it the same, check-shoving your likely c-bet with top pair. You made it cheap pre-flop and he was partly invested, so who knows. I think it was an unlucky situation for you. And the minraise with position is really not all that bad with a hand like this, as long as you use it very sparingly. It's good for confusing your opponents when you've been doing 3x BB every time and suddenly make it 2.