$40 NLHE: $40 NLHE Live casino game -- 2 pivotal hands.

[KMC1828]

$40 NL HE: $40 NLHE Live casino game -- 2 pivotal hands.

I was at a B&M casino tonight for a $40 NLHE freezeout tourney they have, and was looking for some feedback on a couple hands. Keep in mind this is a very cheap tournament with calling stations galore and people who don't understand much of the gameplay aside from what they hold in their hole cards. I'm pretty sure I made the correct plays in these 2 hands, but I would like some feedback to reassure myself heh. My image at the table is rather tight--I'm not spewing chips very often at all, and I have only gotten my money in when it's good (when cards were shown). Thanks in advance.

Edit: If you need any further information, just go ahead and ask. I think I covered everything though, but I could be wrong. I remember these 2 hands rather well, so I should be able to give you any of the info you'd need.

Tourney starts with $3000 chips.

Hand 1:

Blinds 50/100

Biggest chip stack is ~5000 (3rd blind level).

I'm big blind with ~3500 in chips, and I get dealt 88.

It folds around to the guy in 3rd position, who raises to 300. He's got ~4000 chips, and he's been playing rather loose (took a nice pot off of him earlier and saw him with JTo in a similar position, but he did not raise pre-flop).

The guy 2nd to act after the raiser re-raises all-in for ~1300. He's been playing any 2 broadway cards from any position, spewing chips left and right (hence why he's down to ~1300 so early).

It folds back around to me. What's my move?

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Hand 2:

Blinds are up to 150/300 with me on the button. I'm sitting with ~4000 chips. Guy to my immediate left is sitting with a big chiplead, somewhere in the neighborhood of ~10,000 chips. He has been on FIRE with cards, getting 2 broadway cards just about every other hand for the last 20 minutes. And he is hitting flops as well. Guy to my immediate right is sitting with about ~2500 chips.

There are 2 calls from random people around the table before it gets to the guy to my immediate right, who also calls, making 3 people in the hand before I get to act. I raise it to 1000 With AJs (clubs). The guy to my immediate left calls, and so does the guy to my right.

Flop comes As 7s 2c. They check around to me. What's my move?

 

[c9h13no3]

Hand 1 is probably a fold, but I'll entertain arguments for a shove since I suck at donkaments.

Hand 2, shove preflop. As played, shove the flop. I don't think there's really any debate about this one.

BTW, thanks for making your post easy to read. Pretty good hand history considering it was a live game.

 

[KMC1828]

Hand 1 i ended up folding. My thoughts were that in a best case shove scenario im in a race with the original shover. 2nd best case scenario is im up against 4 overs, and the original raiser didnt look like he was going anywhere. Original raiser called the all in with AQo, and the all in had KTo, no broadway cards came and the original raiser took it down.

Hand 2 I shoved on the flop, expecting the guy to my right to fold. And expecting the guy to my right to call hopefully with a lower (he'd been raising w his AK when he showed the couple times he had it in the short span) or a mid pocket pair not believing I had the ace. The guy to my left called and the guy to my right called as well. Guy to the lef flips over AQ (fml) and the guy to my right flips over QTs (whatever). No jack or spade on the turn or river, and im done (along with the rere on my right)

Thanks for the feedback c9h.

I should add that these tournies have an odd structure with no antes at all, so chips go a bit farther than usual, and thats why i didn't shove preflop on hand 2. The normal ~10 bb autoshove is more of a 6 or 7 bb autoshove in these tournies.

 

[Zybomb]

Hand 1 very easy fold pre

Hand 2 is an auto ship pre

 

[No Brainer]

(along with the rere on my right)

Whats a rere?


BTW hand two. By raising it to 1000 with 4000 left you have basically committed yourself pre flop so you may as well just shove pre.

 

[KMC1828]

Whats a rere?

jackass/donkey/retard/take your pick

BTW hand two. By raising it to 1000 with 4000 left you have basically committed yourself pre flop so you may as well just shove pre.

Debatable. I understand the pros to shoving pre (and the standard-ness of the play), but you have to take into consideration the conditions of the tournament/table. The tournament structure NEVER adds antes to the initial pot (only bb and sb's the entire tournament). The guy with the ~10k chipstack had probably a 1.5:1 chiplead on the 2nd highest chipstack at the table, so unless someone has a monster or is feeling lucky, most are not calling the all-in preflop for (at least) ~2/3 of their stack (or in the 1 guy's case 1/2 of his stack). That's why I made the play that I did. With the position I had, I figured if I got a call and hit the flop at all I'd just ship it in, if I didn't hit and they still checked around to me I could still make the play to shove (and either take down even more $$ if they folded off the flop), or i could just let it go and straight up pick a spot for a smaller % of stacks. If I didn't get called, then I take down the same pot I would have if I had shoved pre-flop.

It was an awkward spot to be in, and I can see the pros and cons to both plays, I just so happened to go with the play I did. I did think about shoving it all preflop, but I thought that the standard raise (with intention to stop&go if i hit any part of the flop, or evaluate the action in front if i didnt and make a play accordingly) suited this individual situation best seeing as I was in a donkament.

I have no problem discussing this hand and other hands I come across in these tournaments because I would like to figure out how to take these tournaments down regularly. Any and all analysis/advice/criticism is appreciated.

 

[No Brainer]

I'm not debating the way you played it. Just giving you what I think the best play would be. There is obviously a lot more information on display in live tournaments and you were the only one there so you have a lot more to go on than we do. I play down at the local club about three times per week, same kind of thing, no antes just blinds, a lot of limping/limp calling and a lot of donkeys.

Purely from a numbers point of view I really don't think we want any callers to make a shove here so good. There is already 1050 chips in the middle and we have 4000 left. If we shove here and everyone folds I would be very happy as we have just added a quarter of our stack without even seeing a flop. If someone does call then we have a good chance that our hand will hold up (I think we could see Ace rag call this a lot).

I think when playing live it always feels like we have more chips than it does when playing online. At the tournaments where I play if you shove with 10bbs people look at you weird and ask why you are shoving pre with such a big stack? They sit there and wait till they are at 3 or 4 bbs and say that they just haven't had the hands. I often see people limp into pots with only 4bbs left and then fold when they miss the flop...

 

[baudib1]

Shoving Hand 1 is fine assuming you have massive fold equity. If you think he will call it off cuz he likes to gambool then fold is better. If we can iso vs. the shorty tard we are in good shape with dead chips.

Hand 2: shove pre, as played shove flop, ez game.

 

[Zybomb]

Had no limpers been in the pot, opening in hand 2 a standard amount far exceeds shoving. But there are 3 limpers! You don't have a pair and will miss the flop 2/3rds of the time. Theres 1350 in the pot that you can take down uncontested and add over 1/3 to your stack. 3xing it prices everyone in and you've seen a lot of weak play thus far (limps). Shove