$4.40 NLHE Turbo: Behind on flop but have outs

[No Brainer]

$4.40 NL HE Turbo: Behind on flop but have outs

Early in a 135man rush tourney. No info on villain.

Is calling here ever profitable? I put villain on a K so on this flop I am behind. I can count 11 outs with the two queens and the rest of the diamonds.

I think I have big implied odds if I hit a Q but he will probably shut down if a fourth diamond hits...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $60(BB) Replayer
SB ($560)
BB ($1,380)
UTG ($4,890)
UTG+1 ($1,615)
Hero ($3,475)
MP1 ($2,095)
MP2 ($3,905)
CO ($1,335)
BTN ($2,845)

Dealt to Hero Q♠ Q♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to $150, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $150, fold, fold

FLOP ($390) 8♦ K♦ 3♦

Hero bets $300, BTN raises to $750, Hero ??

 

[belerophon]

I think without info on villain it's hard to decide if this is worth chasing. Entirely possible villain has Ad. I'm not sure I could let this one go however. I might call and see the turn but shut it down after if I miss.

Only other option might be the big reraise to rep a made flush although I doubt it would work here.

 

[cjatud2012]

It's probably not exactly what you mean (or even asked for), but I just wanted to point out that we can't just "put villain on a K" in this spot. He could already have a flush, he could be bluffing with the ace of diamonds, he could have 99-QQ (granted QQ is unlikely but not the point), he could have a set, etc., in addition to the K. So we have to consider how he plays that range as a whole, what will fold to a shove, what will call a shove, etc.

Again you probably already know this but it's good to remind ourselves sometimes or to remind players who are reading this and don't necessarily think this way at the table.

 

[No Brainer]

It's probably not exactly what you mean (or even asked for), but I just wanted to point out that we can't just "put villain on a K" in this spot. He could already have a flush, he could be bluffing with the ace of diamonds, he could have 99-QQ (granted QQ is unlikely but not the point), he could have a set, etc., in addition to the K. So we have to consider how he plays that range as a whole, what will fold to a shove, what will call a shove, etc.

Very good point. I haven't been playing online very much lately and might be a little out of shape with the way I am thinking things through. Thanks for pointing this out though.

Might go through this hand in pokerstove tonight and just see how I fare against a range rather than just a K