$33 NLHE MTT: ITM in big 33, hand v supernova

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Disclaimer: not a brag or bad beat post, genuinely interested in peoples opinions

Villain is a Supernova, had been averagely active, had 3bet etc.
other villian is gonig to donk most value hands and pairs here so he is almost never C/C here unless he flopped a boat or quads (4 combos).
I have a reasonably active image but he probably doesnt give me a hell of alot of respect.

pokerstars - $30+$3|700/1400 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP+1: 33,662.00
CO: 63,638.00
BTN: 16,215.00
SB: 12,318.00
BB: 32,968.00
UTG: 80,243.00
UTG+1: 32,317.00
Hero (MP): 57,679.00

MP+1 posts ante 175.00, CO posts ante 175.00, BTN posts ante 175.00, SB posts ante 175.00, BB posts ante 175.00, UTG posts ante 175.00, UTG+1 posts ante 175.00, Hero posts ante 175.00, SB posts SB 700.00, BB posts BB 1,400.00

Pre Flop: (3500.00) Hero has Kd Ad

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2,800.00, MP+1 calls 2,800.00, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1,400.00

Flop: (10500.00, 3 players) 4d 7s 4h
BB checks, Hero bets 4,200.00, MP+1 raises to 30,687.00 and is all-in, fold, Hero ????

what do i do and why? what is his range? what should my bet/call and bet/fold ranges be.?
 
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What's the name of the Supernova (put stars in it so it doesn't show up on Google)?

I think this is one of those spots which is really dependent on dynamics and your history, and on your table image. His range can contain plenty of 7s (A7s, 78, 79, 67, T7s) and a few combos of 4s, as well as some traps pre and mid pairs.
 
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i had been short stacked and recently doubled up, i expect he thinks i will cbet a ton and most of my range will b/f. I had 4bet and 3b/f so he doesnt think im terrible i guess.
im really struggling to assign a preflop flatting range.
 
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fold, he isnt going to be doing this as light as you think with somebody left to act behind
 
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whats his preflop flatting range?
 
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he's a Supernova who tend to be rubbish so it's full of stuff. lots of suited connectors, middle pairs because he feels he's too deep to 3bet shove, and high cards
 
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are there any hands he should be jamming on the flop?
 
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maybe 7x and pocket pairs for "protection", also some stuff like 56. if it was HU i think it's an easy call but i think his range becomes much stronger with the 3rd player left to act.
 
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why would we want to jam 66/55 if we were him? we virtually fold out everything that we beat? and 7x 4x and 88+ never folds? wouldnt it be better to just call flop?

does the BB being extremely scared money change anything?
 
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he has a mid pair here IMO alot of the time

its the fact that theres a player left to act which changes everything here, it makes his line so much stronger. he could be as strong as queens/jacks here, retarded as it is to shove on this flop.
 
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thanks for the help guys, ill post results in a day or two if noone else has anything to add
 
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why would we want to jam 66/55 if we were him? we virtually fold out everything that we beat? and 7x 4x and 88+ never folds? wouldnt it be better to just call flop?

does the BB being extremely scared money change anything?

hes a supernova and therefore clicks buttons
 
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As above, its likely he has mid pair. Fold, hanging in with unhit ak is a major leak without a lot of reads and info. Maybe hes good enough to shove, putting you and 3rd player on high cards but not enough times to make it profitable call.
 
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hes a supernova and therefore clicks buttons

valid point i think i just gave him waaaay to much credit,

given you flat preflop with a range of 22-66 and 89s-KQs J10o-AJo and AA/KK. how would you play each hand if you were the villain?
 
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depends how he perceives you and who is left behind to act.

if youre perceived as a reg I fold small pairs with no fish behind left to act
 
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and if he perceives me as scared money?
 
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depends whos left to act behind

But I would probs be 3betting you wider to isolate you and flat more stuff that I can play some postflop with you and make moves, generally just get in as many pots as possible with you where Im in position
 
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maybe im wrong but i feel he should be flatting most if not all pairs here and jamming his unpaired hands v my percieved image
 
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flatting all pairs on that board?

its really situational but there arent basically any good turns for our hand, his perceived range is relatively strong. He can fire here and fire basically any overcard turn which will make us fold, thats why I just dont play small pairs in general in single raised pots as theyre useless unless you flop a set. Which is why I said about pre if there is any fish that will flat along.
 
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definitely don't think flatting all pairs is a good idea. stuff he can get in for value he should be getting in, especially if he thinks you'll call it off unpaired. If he flats like 66 here then BB is going to overcall light a lot and he's going to be in a bunch of horrible spots on the turn 3 way even in position. I also think because of stack sizes he'll raise a lot of his overcard bluffs rather than shoving them
 
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you were reasonably deep, don't know if deep enough to think in ICM but i think it's a fold...
he's going to be doing that with any low pocket pair so often that i think it's clearly a fold
 
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I think you have to fold here. It is definitely possible he realizes that this board did not hit your range at all and therefore thinks he can bluff you off this hand with a shove. However, he easily could have 88-TT and is just shoving with his overpair. Interested to see what he had here.
 
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