$33 NLHE MTT: Call, Shove or Fold with AK?

[duggs]

poker stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t70 - 9 players
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+2: t24228 M = 15.84
MP1: t46058 M = 30.10
MP2: t18993 M = 12.41
CO: t14652 M = 9.58
BTN: t19673 M = 12.86
SB: t14300 M = 9.35
Hero (BB): t18227 M = 11.91
UTG: t5902 M = 3.86
UTG+1: t7760 M = 5.07

Pre Flop: (t1530) Hero is BB with Ks As
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t600, MP1 raises to t1500, MP2 raises to t4200, 3 folds, Hero ???


2nd hand on the table, no reads on any of the villians, 66 left. 45 get paid, coming around 30th and average stack before hand.
Is This a shove? I don't like 3betting here as Pot committed at that point anyway. I don't like calling as i will be out of position and may miss the flop. most times i must have some reasonable fold equity with the shove, thoughts please?

 

[baudib1]

fold

 

[duggs]

fold

Whats your reasoning?
What kind of ranges do you think i should default to assigning them?
Neither are already pot committed.

 

[baudib1]

you should never have any FE in this spot, not saying that it won't happen, but MP2 should never raise-fold with these stack sizes. It looks like he wants action from the big stack and that's usually a huge hand.

 

[duggs]

you should never have any FE in this spot, not saying that it won't happen, but MP2 should never raise-fold with these stack sizes. It looks like he wants action from the big stack and that's usually a huge hand.

I didn't look at it like this, i thought it looked like a resteal, or a mid strength pair or ace that would revaluate after the flop came as the tables had already noticeably tightened. At any earlier stage i can't see a fold, but approaching bubble alot of players try resteal quite light.

but you are probably right

 

[Pascal-lf]

Nevarrrrr folding, allllll in

 

[duggs]

Nevarrrrr folding, allllll in

I thought so,

 

[naruto_miu]

Just 1 question I have Is there 66 ppl left, 45 get paid, and your 30th? Or are you already ITM? and your in 30th? If your already ITM then I say Shove A.I...Yet If your not ITM +Depending on how these players, Then I could say fold to be safe and wait till ITM...Also an M of 11 is not really Concern to be Shoving just Yet IMO

 

[duggs]

Just 1 question I have Is there 66 ppl left, 45 get paid, and your 30th? Or are you already ITM? and your in 30th? If your already ITM then I say Shove A.I...Yet If your not ITM +Depending on how these players, Then I could say fold to be safe and wait till ITM...Also an M of 11 is not really Concern to be Shoving just Yet IMO

I was placed 30th out of the 66 remaining and ITM began at 45. I'm not really too interested in small cashes tho and the possibility of bubbling at the chance of building a dominant stack with reasonable equity in the hand as only AA/KK have me dominated. The original bettors range should be wide and my shove should be very difficult to call with reraiser still to act. for the reraisers range, AQ,Aj are possible depending on how loose the first player has been, 1010-QQ are basically flipping if he calls with them. I think that this hand is worth pushing here regardless of being before or after bubble.

 

[shinedown.45]

Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t70 - 9 players
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+2: t24228 M = 15.84
MP1: t46058 M = 30.10
MP2: t18993 M = 12.41
CO: t14652 M = 9.58
BTN: t19673 M = 12.86
SB: t14300 M = 9.35
Hero (BB): t18227 M = 11.91
UTG: t5902 M = 3.86
UTG+1: t7760 M = 5.07

Pre Flop: (t1530) Hero is BB with Ks As
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t600, MP1 raises to t1500, MP2 raises to t4200, 3 folds, Hero ???


2nd hand on the table, no reads on any of the villians, 66 left. 45 get paid, coming around 30th and average stack before hand.
Is This a shove? I don't like 3betting here as Pot committed at that point anyway. I don't like calling as i will be out of position and may miss the flop. most times i must have some reasonable fold equity with the shove, thoughts please?

If you push, you'll bring the pot to 26057 which would require UTG+2 and MP1 to fold before MP2 has to even consider a fold against your push.
With 6 players left to act I can't really see MP2 re-rasing with nothing less than AA/KK/QQ, so I'm folding (reluctantly).

 

[baudib1]

If MP2 had shoved all in I'd practically beat him into the pot. I'd never expect QQ+ to take that line.

However, making a small 3-bet that the bigstack almost has to call is pretty much the line I'd expect QQ+ to take.

 

[duggs]

If MP2 had shoved all in I'd practically beat him into the pot. I'd never expect QQ+ to take that line.

However, making a small 3-bet that the bigstack almost has to call is pretty much the line I'd expect QQ+ to take.

Very very perceptive well done, thanks for your help

MP2 called my shove and showed QQ, (not that it matters but K on flop Q on river to knock me out)

Cheers everyone for the help.