$3 NL HE MTT: 99 in BB

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This is the second hand of the tournament so I don't have any info on the HJ

1. Do you guys 3-bet pre-flop?
2. It is ok for me to check/call this flop?
3. Would you guys bet first on this flop?
4. On the flop is raising his c-bet an option?
5. How do you play the turn? What about the river?



GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 125/250 (30 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 49,940 (200 bb)
UTG+1: 49,970 (200 bb)
MP: 49,970 (200 bb)
MP+1: 51,180 (205 bb)
CO: 50,970 (204 bb)
BU: 49,565 (198 bb)
SB: 48,405 (194 bb)
BB (Hero): 49,970 (200 bb)

Pre-Flop: (615) Hero is BB with 9 9
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 625, 3 players fold, Hero calls 375

Flop:
(1,615) 2 7 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 750, Hero calls 750

Turn:
(3,115) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 1,875, Hero calls 1,875

River:
(6,865) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 5,125, BB (Hero) ?
 
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Preflop
When we are deep like this, I also prefer to just call with 99 and see a flop. You are not getting much fold equity by 3-betting, because he is getting the right implied odds to call you in position. And what is the plan, if we get 4-bet? I am not excited about calling a 4-bet out of position with 99, and if we 3-bet and then fold to a 4-bet, we are taking a very good hand and turning it into napkins.

Flop
I agree with feisas7991, that there is a case for check-raising the flop for value and protection. Most people are C-betting low boards to wide, and by check-calling you are allowing all his broadways to get a free card to draw out on you.

Turn
Other than A of diamonds this is the worst possible turn card, because it improved a lot of his C-betting range. And when he has top pair, you are now behind and drawing to two outs. And if you call now, you might face another big bet on the river, which you cant really call. So as played the best line is to cut your losses and get out now. The average microstakes opponent is not bluffing here often enough, and he is also not betting anything worse than 99 for value.

River
Now there is yet another overcard to your 99, and the flushdraw got there as well. You do block some flush combos with 9d, which is good. But even so the average microstakes opponent is not finding nearly enough bluffs, especially since the main draw got there. I guess, he could potentially have a hand like 86s, which is a busted straightdraw. But there are only 3 combos of that, and there are a ton of combos of flushes, sets, two pair and perhaps even still top pair, if he goes for thin value.

So calling is out of the question in my opinion. If you want to try something a bit fancy, you could check-raise and turn your hand into a bluff basically representing, that you rivered a flush. I would not expect that to be particularly profitable early in a 3$ MTT though. I think, there is a high risk, he just beat you into the pot with his AJ or AQ, and then you just wasted a big percentage of your stack trying to do something fancy, which went right over his head. In the micros FPS (Fancy Play Syndrom) is usually a great way to set money on fire and tilt yourself. So if I got this far, I just fold and cut my losses.
 
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Thank you for your feedback. I did fold the river, I did not think that he would bluff there and have nothing so I just fold and move to the next one.


GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 125/250 (30 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 49,940 (200 bb)
UTG+1: 49,970 (200 bb)
MP: 49,970 (200 bb)
MP+1: 51,180 (205 bb)
CO: 50,970 (204 bb)
BU: 49,565 (198 bb)
SB: 48,405 (194 bb)
BB (Hero): 49,970 (200 bb)

Pre-Flop: (615) Hero is BB with 9 9
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 625, 3 players fold, Hero calls 375

Flop:
(1,615) 2 7 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 750, Hero calls 750

Turn:
(3,115) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 1,875, Hero calls 1,875

River:
(6,865) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 5,125, BB (Hero) folds

Total pot: 6,865
MP+1 wins 6,865
 
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This is the second hand of the tournament so I don't have any info on the HJ

1. Do you guys 3-bet pre-flop?
2. It is ok for me to check/call this flop?
3. Would you guys bet first on this flop?
4. On the flop is raising his c-bet an option?
5. How do you play the turn? What about the river?



GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 125/250 (30 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 49,940 (200 bb)
UTG+1: 49,970 (200 bb)
MP: 49,970 (200 bb)
MP+1: 51,180 (205 bb)
CO: 50,970 (204 bb)
BU: 49,565 (198 bb)
SB: 48,405 (194 bb)
BB (Hero): 49,970 (200 bb)

Pre-Flop: (615) Hero is BB with 9 9
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 625, 3 players fold, Hero calls 375

Flop:
(1,615) 2 7 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 750, Hero calls 750

Turn:
(3,115) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 1,875, Hero calls 1,875

River:
(6,865) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 5,125, BB (Hero) ?
GTOwizard can be used for free and in the study section we can look at preflop charts multiple times per day and run one hand per day beyond preflop.
The 100bb chart has us calling with 99 93% of the time-at 200bb we can call 100% as V position, when deep is very powerful.
Checking is standard on flop-
GTO V do not use this bet sizing it is 33% or 66% so for study purposes we want to see what our player pool is betting this way from our hand reviews
Using 33% it is 89% call the rest raise. larger sizing is 94% call-
Turn GTO is calling 100% with 9d9x hands folding other 99 combos 80% or more
river gto is folding all 99 no diamond folding 70% ish of all 99 and raising or shoving the rest of the time.

GTO wizard is a great starting point for study---
The key to be most effective is not to just look at what the bot would do but to look at the range of hands the bot is doing it against-
As we go step by step thru each decision with 99 we have to look at what the gto V is bluffing in those spots- If our V are not bluffing these spots then we can easily over fold either turn or river here. We would often call turn vs a player that would not three bet bluff at all so that we can showdown the hand or fold.
Using the range charts for study does however let us see potential bluff hands that we would over look sometimes that our V would play and lets us best guess the fact that at 200 bb our V does not have many hands on the flop that are draws that miss.

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1 further point it is very effective study to look at the GTO river shoves and try to find spots to implement them in our own game-most often vs players who bet marginal made hands on rivers that should be bluff catchers instead
 
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